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by Stirling Bartholomew
January 17th, 2016, 4:34 pm
Forum: Seen on the Web
Topic: Why Study Greek?
Replies: 6
Views: 13217

Re: Why Study Greek?

I remember Ann Nyland saying something like this eons ago in this forum. Attic first, years of it. Then Koine. But your not going to get any seminary student to buy into that. The language requirment is a nusiance to the vast majority of seminiary students. If you tell them they need to learn Attic ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 12th, 2016, 8:31 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Robert from…
Replies: 16
Views: 3593

Re: Robert from…

As an example, let me quote Gal 2:16 εἰδότες [δὲ] ὅτι οὐ δικαιοῦται ἄνθρωπος ἐξ ἔργων νόμου ἐὰν μὴ διὰ πίστεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ , καὶ ἡμεῖς εἰς Χριστὸν Ἰησοῦν ἐπιστεύσαμεν, ἵνα δικαιωθῶμεν ἐκ πίστεως Χριστοῦ καὶ οὐκ ἐξ ἔργων νόμου, ὅτι ἐξ ἔργων νόμου οὐ δικαιωθήσεται πᾶσα σάρξ. [My translation: 'Knowi...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 10th, 2016, 4:26 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Romans 9:28 participles
Replies: 6
Views: 1869

Re: Romans 9:28 participles

Rom. 9:28 λόγον γὰρ συντελῶν καὶ συντέμνων ποιήσει κύριος ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς. I wonder if the distinction between an adjectival participle and an adverbial participle is just another case of doing syntax analysis driven by translation considerations , in other words, how we would say this in an Italian, E...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 9th, 2016, 5:15 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Romans 9:28 participles
Replies: 6
Views: 1869

Re: Romans 9:28 participles

Rom. 9:28 λόγον γὰρ συντελῶν καὶ συντέμνων ποιήσει κύριος ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς. I wonder if the distinction between an adjectival participle and an adverbial participle is just another case of doing syntax analysis driven by translation considerations, in other words, how we would say this in an Italian, Eng...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 3rd, 2016, 8:11 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Beginning Greek, Again and Again
Replies: 1
Views: 10685

Re: Beginning Greek, Again and Again

Carl, I read this. It was good. I am not sure if it would be better to teach at a school where Greek was a required subject and failure to complete a three to four year Greek & Hebrew curriculum resulted in a failure to obtain your degree. The element of coercion doesn't sit well with some stude...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 3rd, 2016, 7:49 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Prolepsis & Attraction
Replies: 0
Views: 1129

Prolepsis & Attraction

Having run across examples of Prolepsis in Sophocles, and read about it in Guy Cooper it seems that it has a connection with Attraction. ATR only devotes a small paragraph to Prolepsis but spends pages on Attraction. Cooper blends the two treatments and uses Attraction in different contexts with dif...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 12th, 2015, 5:21 pm
Forum: Grammars
Topic: The Perennial Question: Best Intermediate Grammar Text?
Replies: 29
Views: 33823

Re: The Perennial Question: Best Intermediate Grammar Text?

I suppose my real issue is that I'm suspicious of a need for an intermediate grammar in the first place. Past the primer, I think students should invest immediately in the big reference books that will support them for the rest of their career. Competency should be attained by reading -- spending t...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 11th, 2015, 2:19 pm
Forum: Grammars
Topic: The Perennial Question: Best Intermediate Grammar Text?
Replies: 29
Views: 33823

Re: The Perennial Question: Best Intermediate Grammar Text?

... an Aristotelian strategy of "divide and conquer" seems applied to every grammatical category: divisions and subdivisions and subdivisions thereof. Which raises an interesting question. What counts as idiom? How do we discover idioms? I have been accused on a number of occasions of loo...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 10th, 2015, 2:03 am
Forum: Software
Topic: Accordance & Diogenes on El Capitan
Replies: 1
Views: 7318

Re: Accordance & Diogenes on El Capitan

Diogenes (version 3.2.0) on the other hand has some known issues. Quote from the developers website: http://community.dur.ac.uk/p.j.heslin/Software/Diogenes/download.php The first time Diogenes runs, it will ask you to install Java, if it is not already installed. (This is an unfortunate side-effect...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 9th, 2015, 2:01 pm
Forum: Grammars
Topic: The Perennial Question: Best Intermediate Grammar Text?
Replies: 29
Views: 33823

Re: The Perennial Question: Best Intermediate Grammar Text?

SCarlson et al, can I ask for your opinions on Wallace GGBB and accompanying workbook for intermediate? I have searched the forums and unless the search isn't working, there doesn't seem to be a lot of discussion on this text You should search the archives in the late 90s site:www.ibiblio.org "...

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