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by Jonathan Robie
July 18th, 2012, 1:57 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: temporal deixis in Acts 8:18
Replies: 9
Views: 3519

Re: temporal deixis in Acts 8:18

I think you've got it at this point, but just to be excessively clear, the main verb is προσήνεγκεν, ἰδὼν is subordinate to προσήνεγκεν, δίδοται is subordinate to ἰδὼν. Thank you! Yes, this must be Simon's thought/perception. I have looked at Stephen H. Levinsohn on this point: “When ὅτι occurs as a...
by Jonathan Robie
July 18th, 2012, 10:57 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: temporal deixis in Acts 8:18
Replies: 9
Views: 3519

Re: temporal deixis in Acts 8:18

First off, a main verb is always a finite verb in Greek, so it cannot be the participle ἰδὼν. The time of the participle is interpreted relative to the main verb. Let's look at Funk's Grammar : The 'tenses' of participles do not, strictly speaking, represent time but denote only aspect (Aktionsart, ...
by Jonathan Robie
July 17th, 2012, 9:34 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: I need help with Philippians 2:6-8
Replies: 73
Views: 13281

Re: I need help with Philippians 2:6-8

With respect, I think Barry has a very deep grasp of Greek grammar, and is honest with the text. Don't be misled by the fact that he also discusses theology in that blog post. I'm not sure how you can get much deeper into the Greek language without first getting a more solid grasp on the Greek langu...
by Jonathan Robie
July 17th, 2012, 2:43 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: I need help with Philippians 2:6-8
Replies: 73
Views: 13281

Re: I need help with Philippians 2:6-8

I found Louw and Nida apt here: ἁρπαγμός: that which is to be held on to forcibly - `something to hold by force, something to be forcibly retained.' ὅς ἐν μορφῇ θεοῦ ὑπάρχων οὐχ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα θεῷ `he always had the nature of God and did not consider that remaining equal with God was ...
by Jonathan Robie
July 17th, 2012, 11:22 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Philippians 1:27 ἵνα εἴτε ἐλθὼν καὶ ἰδὼν
Replies: 4
Views: 970

Re: Philippians 1:27 ἵνα εἴτε ἐλθὼν καὶ ἰδὼν

Ah, so taking out the participles, we have this:

ἵνα ἀκούω τὰ περὶ ὑμῶν

And putting them back, in parentheses, we have this:

ἵνα (εἴτε ἐλθὼν καὶ ἰδὼν ὑμᾶς εἴτε ἀπὼν) ἀκούω τὰ περὶ ὑμῶν

Is that how you are reading it?
by Jonathan Robie
July 17th, 2012, 10:00 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Mark 8:12 εἰ δοθήσεται τῇ γενεᾷ ταύτῃ σημεῖον
Replies: 3
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Mark 8:12 εἰ δοθήσεται τῇ γενεᾷ ταύτῃ σημεῖον

Mark 8:12 wrote:καὶ ἀναστενάξας τῷ πνεύματι αὐτοῦ λέγει· Τί ἡ γενεὰ αὕτη ζητεῖ σημεῖον; ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, εἰ δοθήσεται τῇ γενεᾷ ταύτῃ σημεῖον.
Is this aposiopesis?

Or is it an oath formula?

How should I interpret it?
by Jonathan Robie
July 17th, 2012, 7:46 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Philippians 1:27 ἵνα εἴτε ἐλθὼν καὶ ἰδὼν
Replies: 4
Views: 970

Philippians 1:27 ἵνα εἴτε ἐλθὼν καὶ ἰδὼν

27 Μόνον ἀξίως τοῦ εὐαγγελίου τοῦ Χριστοῦ πολιτεύεσθε, ἵνα εἴτε ἐλθὼν καὶ ἰδὼν ὑμᾶς εἴτε ἀπὼν ἀκούω τὰ περὶ ὑμῶν , ὅτι στήκετε ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι, μιᾷ ψυχῇ συναθλοῦντες τῇ πίστει τοῦ εὐαγγελίου, 28 καὶ μὴ πτυρόμενοι ἐν μηδενὶ ὑπὸ τῶν ἀντικειμένων (ἥτις ἐστὶν αὐτοῖς ἔνδειξις ἀπωλείας, ὑμῶν δὲ σωτηρίας,...
by Jonathan Robie
July 17th, 2012, 7:29 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: I need help with Philippians 2:6-8
Replies: 73
Views: 13281

Re: I need help with Philippians 2:6-8

Our own Barry Hofstatter has blogged on this verse here, and goes into some depth on the meaning of the phrase οὐχ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο. http://my.opera.com/BarryHofstetter/blog/2012/04/07/phil-2-6-a-response Note: Barry's blog goes into a bunch of theology, which we try to avoid here, so discussions of...
by Jonathan Robie
July 15th, 2012, 10:58 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: I need help with Philippians 2:6-8
Replies: 73
Views: 13281

Re: I need help with Philippians 2:6-8

But my question was rather related to the meaning of equal -ἴσος-, whether it could have been used with the meaning of "in the same category", not taken (the meaning) from the Hebrews but from Greece and Rome, I'm asking if it was an usual meaning of the word at that time, that could be u...
by Jonathan Robie
July 14th, 2012, 8:52 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: I need help with Philippians 2:6-8
Replies: 73
Views: 13281

Re: I need help with Philippians 2:6-8

May be that the word ἴσος could be used with the meaning of "of the same class" or "of the same category"? I'd probably look for places where ἴσος is used with respect to God or a god, especially in the Septuagint and the New Testament. There are also examples of this listed in ...

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