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by RandallButh
December 24th, 2021, 8:44 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat
Replies: 17
Views: 2386

Re: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat

Luke is deliberately imitating at points certain aspects of the LXX I wonder what people have learned about Hebrew poetic tense shifting in this thread? [Perhaps someone could share a copy of “Hebrew Poetic Tenses and the Magnificat,” JSNT 21 (1984): 67–83, if they have it. I don't have access to a...
by RandallButh
December 24th, 2021, 3:17 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat
Replies: 17
Views: 2386

Re: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat

I agree with your main point and half of your claim. We must read and interpret Luke according to Greek and ask what a Greek audience would hear, think and interpret. And would they think it normal Greek, or something with an aftertaste of dissonance? And if with dissonance, how would it factor in t...
by RandallButh
December 24th, 2021, 4:16 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat
Replies: 17
Views: 2386

Re: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat

The point on translation meant no disrespect to Jerome or translators, but pointed out the ambiguity of translation as evIdence for this particular poetic phenomenon. The LXX and Vulgate to Psalm 2 illustrate how someone can correctly translate the Hebrew as Greek pasts, or Latin futures. And neithe...
by RandallButh
December 23rd, 2021, 12:24 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat
Replies: 17
Views: 2386

Re: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat

I'm not sure why someone would bring in Latin, or any language. Poetry is "meaning plus form" and can never be fully translated. The Hebrew tense phenomenon cannot be meaningfully and "literally" duplicated in a language that does not use such a device as a known poetic option, i...
by RandallButh
December 22nd, 2021, 11:57 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat
Replies: 17
Views: 2386

Re: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat

Plus there’s every reason to think the Magnificat is a Greek composition. NT/Greek people need to be able to read and appreciate psalm 2 if they are going to evaluate the magnificat. (That would apply to the Marshall quote and other commentaries above.) [[E.g., The following statement is simply inc...
by RandallButh
October 13th, 2021, 12:32 pm
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Biblical words are nolonger referential?
Replies: 31
Views: 12607

Re: Biblical words are nolonger referential?

Another useful book to follow Ross' thought might be

Ewa Walaszewska "Relevance-Theoretic Lexical Pragmatics" CUP 2015. 232pp. I'm currently reading it.
by RandallButh
October 2nd, 2021, 12:33 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Adjective vs. Noun
Replies: 6
Views: 3887

Re: Adjective vs. Noun

to the above I would add that discussions of grammar terms across languages will inevitably lead to abstractions that may surprise you. Grammar terms are developed to describe functional word-shape categories in one particular language and then they are modified and adapted to fit other languages wh...
by RandallButh
September 29th, 2021, 1:36 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: ἔγειρε semantics and orthography--how would you parse this?
Replies: 23
Views: 11721

Re: ἔγειρε semantics and orthography--how would you parse this?

PS: It appears that an Atticist grammarian already noted the problem at the end of the 2nd C. CE: elius Herodianus et Pseudo-Herodianus Gramm., Rhet., Partitiones (= Ἐπιμερισμοί) [Sp.?] (e codd. Paris. 2543 + 2570) (0087: 036) “Herodiani partitiones”, Ed. Boissonade, J.F. London, 1819, Repr. 1963. P...
by RandallButh
September 29th, 2021, 1:09 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: ἔγειρε semantics and orthography--how would you parse this?
Replies: 23
Views: 11721

Re: ἔγειρε semantics and orthography--how would you parse this?

Those are a good collection of examples and raise additional considerations. Thank you, all. παῦε is interesting since it is common in active and middle senses though we more regularly use it in middle senses, and the aorist middle is distinguished from the continuative active by a consonant παῦσαι ...
by RandallButh
September 27th, 2021, 1:30 am
Forum: Other
Topic: ἔγειρε semantics and orthography--how would you parse this?
Replies: 23
Views: 11721

Re: ἔγειρε semantics and orthography--how would you parse this?

I'd need to see what the manuscripts say about the spelling. Though some scribes confound ε and αι, most don't. Stephen, we would need to look in two directions. One is the mss tradition of the NT. Equally important, actually more so, would be clear examples of intransitive active εγείρειν. They do...

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