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by Eeli Kaikkonen
September 5th, 2021, 1:48 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?
Replies: 25
Views: 11428

Re: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?

But πρὸ used in conjunction with πάντων is well attested as referring to "above all": These aren’t counter-examples to the explanation I provided. Eh? Stephen explained under which circumstances it can get the metaphorical interpretation "above all" (it doesn't actually change f...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
September 5th, 2021, 12:55 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?
Replies: 25
Views: 11428

Re: Should πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων read "before all these things" or "above all these things"?

Bill Ross wrote: September 4th, 2021, 7:13 pm Unless and until my reading is declared illegitimate, "that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!"
Your reading is illegitimate.
by Eeli Kaikkonen
August 16th, 2021, 2:45 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: perfect participle in Acts 13:48
Replies: 18
Views: 7869

Re: perfect participle in Acts 13:48

I can't say any more about Greek, but it's interesting that this verbal/adjective distinction is malleable and ambiguous in many other lanugages, too. For example in Finnish - not related to Greek - if one thinks about a perfect, which itself is a combination of "be" + participle, it's dif...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
August 14th, 2021, 12:40 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: perfect participle in Acts 13:48
Replies: 18
Views: 7869

Re: perfect participle in Acts 13:48

Now when you say it that way, yes, it's probably true. I explained it by saying that the imperfect verb sets the time which is used as the reference for understanding this participle. I don't know if a pluperfect would have been as natural here. It's been translated as "had been appointed"...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
August 14th, 2021, 10:26 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: perfect participle in Acts 13:48
Replies: 18
Views: 7869

Re: perfect participle in Acts 13:48

Yes, I can read Greek. Let's suppose someone can read English words, word by word, parse them, find them in a dictionary and find glosses for another language and then translate the result word by word into the other language. Would you say he can read English? Those who write here regularly usuall...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
August 13th, 2021, 3:02 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36910

Re: John 8:58

Although I don't anymore use as black and white language to deny the possibility of ειμι being a copula with ellipsis as I did in the first pages of this thread, I'm still not convinced by what Jonathan says. The possibility is interesting anyway. It's annoying that we don't have enough background m...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
August 12th, 2021, 4:44 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Present with Perfect Force?
Replies: 15
Views: 8518

Re: Present with Perfect Force?

Another voice against these kinds of labels. There are verbs whose inherent lexical semantics are "perfect-like". This isn't a category of tense/aspect, just an the idiosyncratic realization of meaning in individual lexical items. You are apparently talking about "Present for Perfect...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
August 12th, 2021, 4:40 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Present with Perfect Force?
Replies: 15
Views: 8518

Re: Present with Perfect Force?

This is such a strange category to use in a Greek grammar (though textbooks may want to point it out). This is an interesting and important point. I have handled it (PPA or whatever it is called) as a category. I have never thought if it should be handled as a category of the present tense. I agree...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
August 11th, 2021, 6:27 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Present with Perfect Force?
Replies: 15
Views: 8518

Re: Present with Perfect Force?

"Perfect force" shouldn't be confused with "Present of Past Action Still in Progress", they are two different things. The topic subject line talks about the former, while most descriptions quoted from grammars are about the latter. The Bible references in the first post are very ...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
August 10th, 2021, 4:59 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36910

Re: John 8:58

Neither εγω ειμι nor πριν Αβρααμ γενεσθαι can stand alone and make sense. Unless…εγω ειμι has an implied predicate and ειμι becomes a linking verb. εγω ειμι can be a complete sentence, πριν Αβρααμ γενεσθαι can't. It's as simple as that. I'm not sure if you understand the difference between a syntac...

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