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Is there an historical sigma involved in ἱημι ?

Posted: April 26th, 2023, 5:24 pm
by Gumboocho
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Greetings Wade & others on this forum. I just read Wade's comments on iBiblio on the Aorist tense, and I thought they were good. I recall years ago suffering with Machen's introductory grammar in Bible college, then later discovering Goetchius' Language of the NT which took a morphological (or morphical if you wish) to Greek, which was a quantum improvement. It looks like Wade may have taken Goetchius to a higher level. Is there any Greek textbook currently in print which has Wade's super linguistic approach?

BTW, it is a great insight (IMHO) to consider ἱημι (from which ἀφίημι, a veritable mess :D in paradigms) as exhibiting reduplication with iota, a sign of the present stem (thus a great aid on parsing its forms as probably present or imperfect). Does anyone have any explanation of this reduplication, which lacks a visible consonant in the reduplication? We explain histēmi as sigma changing to rough breathing (though it does not do so in σῴζω. Is there an historical sigma involved in ἱημι ?

Thanks for your response. Gumboocho

PS This forum rejected my Captcha answer as to what was the feminine article (for a feminine noun) when I used for an answer hē, but accepted he.

Re: Is there an historical sigma involved in ἱημι ?

Posted: April 27th, 2023, 2:14 am
by Jason Hare
Gumboocho wrote: April 26th, 2023, 5:24 pm PS This forum rejected my Captcha answer as to what was the feminine article (for a feminine noun) when I used for an answer hē, but accepted he.
It would have accepted . ;)

Re: Is there an historical sigma involved in ἱημι ?

Posted: April 27th, 2023, 2:29 am
by Jason Hare
Yes, I believe there is an historical sigma somewhere in the mix. Notice that both BrillDAG and LSJ mention a possible connection to a Latin cognate sēmen (though I don’t get any hits for sēmen in Diogenes).

Re: Is there an historical sigma involved in ἱημι ?

Posted: May 1st, 2023, 6:34 pm
by Stephen Carlson
Wiktionary is your friend for these etymological inquiries: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%B ... E%BC%CE%B9

Basically, there's no historical sigma, but an historical yod, which also evanesces in similar ways.

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Posted: February 18th, 2024, 12:46 pm
by Enriqueprilt
I believe there must be something up there as I think that its impossible that the world just created itself by chance. The Bible does have a lot of cp in it, yes but at the same time I respect peoples beliefs if they somehow stand by what is said.

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Posted: February 19th, 2024, 1:42 am
by Jason Hare
Enriqueprilt wrote: February 18th, 2024, 12:46 pm I believe there must be something up there as I think that its impossible that the world just created itself by chance. The Bible does have a lot of cp in it, yes but at the same time I respect peoples beliefs if they somehow stand by what is said.
Is this related to Greek or to the conversation above? We have been overrun with spam recently, and I am inclined to think that this post is also spam. If you do not write back and explain your post, I will assume that this is indeed spam and will delete this post and your user. It is not a normal first post on a new forum, especially one that is specifically oriented toward the study and promotion of the Greek language.

Re: Is there an historical sigma involved in ἱημι ?

Posted: February 19th, 2024, 11:18 am
by mikeatnip
Stephen Carlson wrote: May 1st, 2023, 6:34 pm Wiktionary is your friend for these etymological inquiries: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%B ... E%BC%CE%B9

Basically, there's no historical sigma, but an historical yod, which also evanesces in similar ways.
Thanks for this. It makes sense. (Of course, just because it makes sense does not make it correct.)