"Come" vs "Arrive" - ἔρχομαι & ἐλθών

Re: "Come" vs "Arrive" - ἔρχομαι & ἐλθών

Postby David Lim » January 22nd, 2013, 10:38 pm

Paul-Nitz wrote:μακάριος ὁ δοῦλος ἐκεῖνος ὃν ἐλθὼν ὁ κύριος αὐτοῦ εὑρήσει οὕτως ποιοῦντα·

cwconrad wrote:essential to an authentic grasp of the language is the realization that understanding spoken and written Greek depends upon thinking in (ancient) Greek


And this is just the sort of sentence that ties my English brain in knots. The relative pronoun ὃν is so far removed from it's partner ποιοῦντα. I would like to see more examples of similar sentences. Is it is a simple thing for anyone to list several LXX or NT verses in which we see the same sort of construction.


(If anyone is extra generous, they could explain how to search for such a thing. If I understood Logos Syntax search, maybe I could find this... but that is one it's a puzzle to me. α-μακάριος εγω ὅν ἐλθὼν ὁ κύριος μου εὑρήσει ἔτι πειρῶμενον συνιεναι Logos Syntax Search. )

Actually it's not too far, because "ἐλθὼν" is the only thing inserted into "ὃν ὁ κύριος αὐτοῦ εὑρήσει" and "οὕτως ποιοῦντα" is not the object of the verb but only an adjectival description of the kind of servant that the lord wants to find. I don't use Logos but I use another software which allows regular expressions so I found the following instances of an accusative relative clause divided by a participle describing the subject:

[Matt 13:31] αλλην παραβολην παρεθηκεν αυτοις λεγων ομοια εστιν η βασιλεια των ουρανων κοκκω σιναπεως ον λαβων ανθρωπος εσπειρεν εν τω αγρω αυτου
[Matt 13:33] αλλην παραβολην ελαλησεν αυτοις ομοια εστιν η βασιλεια των ουρανων ζυμη ην λαβουσα γυνη ενεκρυψεν εις αλευρου σατα τρια εως ου εζυμωθη ολον
[Matt 13:44] παλιν ομοια εστιν η βασιλεια των ουρανων θησαυρω κεκρυμμενω εν τω αγρω ον ευρων ανθρωπος εκρυψεν και απο της χαρας αυτου υπαγει και παντα οσα εχει πωλει και αγοραζει τον αγρον εκεινον
[Matt 24:46] μακαριος ο δουλος εκεινος ον ελθων ο κυριος αυτου ευρησει ποιουντα ουτως
[Luke 12:37] μακαριοι οι δουλοι εκεινοι ους ελθων ο κυριος ευρησει γρηγορουντας αμην λεγω υμιν οτι περιζωσεται και ανακλινει αυτους και παρελθων διακονησει αυτοις
[Luke 12:43] μακαριος ο δουλος εκεινος ον ελθων ο κυριος αυτου ευρησει ποιουντα ουτως
[Acts 27:17] ην αραντες βοηθειαις εχρωντο υποζωννυντες το πλοιον φοβουμενοι τε μη εις την συρτην εκπεσωσιν χαλασαντες το σκευος ουτως εφεροντο
[Acts 28:4] ως δε ειδον οι βαρβαροι κρεμαμενον το θηριον εκ της χειρος αυτου ελεγον προς αλληλους παντως φονευς εστιν ο ανθρωπος ουτος ον διασωθεντα εκ της θαλασσης η δικη ζην ουκ ειασεν

There is one unusual instance I found too, where the relative pronoun is not picked up by any verb in the relative clause:
[Acts 19:25] ους συναθροισας και τους περι τα τοιαυτα εργατας ειπεν ανδρες επιστασθε οτι εκ ταυτης της εργασιας η ευπορια ημων εστιν
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