List of Articular Infinitives

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Re: List of Articular Infinitives

Post by George F Somsel » January 2nd, 2015, 2:02 pm

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Re: List of Articular Infinitives

Post by Stirling Bartholomew » January 2nd, 2015, 3:16 pm

cwconrad wrote: Yes, but do they speak the same language?
Some linguists speak a language know to only a few people. Kind of like the private identical twins.
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Re: List of Articular Infinitives

Post by Stephen Carlson » January 2nd, 2015, 5:59 pm

Barry Hofstetter wrote:One could also do it the old-fashioned way – – by reading through the Greek New Testament, and noting every instance of the articular infinitive. I admit it might take a little longer, but think of the benefits resulting...
Well, if I want to spend a lot of time to make a lot of mistakes, this would be a great way to do it.
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Re: List of Articular Infinitives

Post by Shirley Rollinson » January 2nd, 2015, 7:58 pm

Stephen Carlson wrote:I need a list of articular infinitives in a corpus that includes at the least the NT. Has such a list been published or can it be easily queried (and posted here), as with Jonathan and Micheal's syntax trees?

Thanks!

(I have a demo copy of Bibleworks 9 but I don't really use it.)
You might try using La Parola
http://www.laparola.net/greco/index.php
and use the "Find Words" option, to do a search for "verb" - "infinitive" (being sure to specify "words appearing at least once"). Clicking on "find words" gives a list of (hopefully) all the infintives in the GNT - 2,285 of them. Then you can take your time and follow the link for each infinitive, and see the verses in which it appears - that way you can sort out the articular infintives from the others, and also have them in context.
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Re: List of Articular Infinitives

Post by Barry Hofstetter » January 3rd, 2015, 9:36 am

Stephen Carlson wrote: Well, if I want to spend a lot of time to make a lot of mistakes, this would be a great way to do it.
The fact that someone at your level of competence trusts technology more than his own eyes and brain says something about our culture (and perhaps your age). Of course, hypocritically, I would want to use the technology, but that says something about my essentially lazy nature! :shock:
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Re: List of Articular Infinitives

Post by cwconrad » January 3rd, 2015, 11:50 am

Barry Hofstetter wrote:
Stephen Carlson wrote: Well, if I want to spend a lot of time to make a lot of mistakes, this would be a great way to do it.
The fact that someone at your level of competence trusts technology more than his own eyes and brain says something about our culture (and perhaps your age). Of course, hypocritically, I would want to use the technology, but that says something about my essentially lazy nature! :shock:
What this discussion brought home to me was that my own doctoral research into Greek poetic word-order patterns in the late 1950's was in another era altogether: reading through oodles of Greek hexameter verse and laboriously copying data onto index cards to stack in little piles by category and count them. It was laborious, but as someone advised me then, "You'll be wending your way through a lot of good stuff."
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Re: List of Articular Infinitives

Post by Stephen Carlson » January 3rd, 2015, 6:22 pm

Barry Hofstetter wrote:
Stephen Carlson wrote: Well, if I want to spend a lot of time to make a lot of mistakes, this would be a great way to do it.
The fact that someone at your level of competence trusts technology more than his own eyes and brain says something about our culture (and perhaps your age). Of course, hypocritically, I would want to use the technology, but that says something about my essentially lazy nature! :shock:
Actually, it says a lot more about how tactful I was trying to be in the face of your ridiculous suggestion. Already in this thread there were two dissertations on point cited for the original inquiry. Reading what our predecessors produced is not even high-tech. That's old school.
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Re: List of Articular Infinitives

Post by MAubrey » January 4th, 2015, 8:43 am

This is what I have from Cascadia so far. I'm sure there are more. These are all the articular infinitives listed as NP's with a determiner that's a sister of a clause whose head is an infinitive verb. I'm sure there's another syntactic pattern Cascadia uses, but I haven't found it yet.

http://1drv.ms/1Ht5Nml

It's an xml spreadsheet, you should be able to open it in any spreadsheet viewer (excel, open office, etc.)
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Re: List of Articular Infinitives

Post by Stephen Carlson » January 5th, 2015, 12:55 am

Thanks for that Mike. This one nets 283 of them.

I hoping that either Jonathan or Micheal would jump in, since the question seems to fit their project to query syntax trees. I'm actually a little surprised not to hear from them, but people get busier over the holidays I suppose.

I'm not that familiar with Cascadia. Is it similar to what they are doing or something else entirely?
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Re: List of Articular Infinitives

Post by George F Somsel » January 5th, 2015, 2:49 am

Stephen C Carlson wrote:
I'm not that familiar with Cascadia. Is it similar to what their are doing or something else entirely?
https://www.logos.com/product/27284/cas ... bl-edition
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