Ap.2:12 τὴν ῥομφαίαν τὴν δίστομον τὴν ὀξεῖαν

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Ap.2:12 τὴν ῥομφαίαν τὴν δίστομον τὴν ὀξεῖαν

Post by Stephen Hughes » July 25th, 2017, 4:16 am

Apocalypse 2:12 wrote:Τάδε λέγει ὁ ἔχων τὴν ῥομφαίαν τὴν δίστομον τὴν ὀξεῖαν
Is the use of two articles and no conjunctive for two successive adjectives a reflection of Hebrew syntactic patterns?
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Re: Ap.2:12 τὴν ῥομφαίαν τὴν δίστομον τὴν ὀξεῖαν

Post by Jonathan Robie » July 26th, 2017, 5:41 pm

This occurs more often in the Revelation than in other books. I also found it in John 18:16:
ὁ δὲ Πέτρος εἱστήκει πρὸς τῇ θύρᾳ ἔξω. ἐξῆλθεν οὖν ὁ μαθητὴς ὁ ἄλλος ὁ γνωστὸς τοῦ ἀρχιερέως καὶ εἶπεν τῇ θυρωρῷ καὶ εἰσήγαγεν τὸν Πέτρον.
And three places in the Revelation:
καὶ ἀπὸ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, ὁ μάρτυς ὁ πιστός, ὁ πρωτότοκος τῶν νεκρῶν καὶ ὁ ἄρχων τῶν βασιλέων τῆς γῆς.
Καὶ τῷ ἀγγέλῳ τῆς ἐν Περγάμῳ ἐκκλησίας γράψον· Τάδε λέγει ὁ ἔχων τὴν ῥομφαίαν τὴν δίστομον τὴν ὀξεῖαν·
ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ λαμπρός, ὁ πρωϊνός.
Is there anything that marks this as particularly Hebrew?
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Re: Ap.2:12 τὴν ῥομφαίαν τὴν δίστομον τὴν ὀξεῖαν

Post by Stephen Hughes » July 26th, 2017, 9:24 pm

Jonathan Robie wrote:
July 26th, 2017, 5:41 pm
This occurs more often in the Revelation than in other books. I also found it in John 18:16:
ὁ δὲ Πέτρος εἱστήκει πρὸς τῇ θύρᾳ ἔξω. ἐξῆλθεν οὖν ὁ μαθητὴς ὁ ἄλλος ὁ γνωστὸς τοῦ ἀρχιερέως καὶ εἶπεν τῇ θυρωρῷ καὶ εἰσήγαγεν τὸν Πέτρον.
And three places in the Revelation:
καὶ ἀπὸ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, ὁ μάρτυς ὁ πιστός, ὁ πρωτότοκος τῶν νεκρῶν καὶ ὁ ἄρχων τῶν βασιλέων τῆς γῆς.
Καὶ τῷ ἀγγέλῳ τῆς ἐν Περγάμῳ ἐκκλησίας γράψον· Τάδε λέγει ὁ ἔχων τὴν ῥομφαίαν τὴν δίστομον τὴν ὀξεῖαν·
ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ λαμπρός, ὁ πρωϊνός.
Assuming that the addition of a genitive phrases in the Jn.18:16 and Ap.1:5 examples makes those articular adjectives clearly substantive, ie that they are in aposition following the rules of successive substantives, then only two examples remain of the type described.
Jonathan Robie wrote:
July 26th, 2017, 5:41 pm
Is there anything that marks this as particularly Hebrew?
Hebrew (L1) interference seems like a more likely reason for going outside the normal limitation of one adjective in a construction like this, rather than appealing to the 5th/4th century Andocides. On the whole the Koine has a simplified set of articular syntactic structures, and a form of complexity like this appearing in the Apocalypse is more logically a new development.
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