Re: Dative case as the direct object?
Posted: December 20th, 2017, 3:24 pm
I disagree. And a big part of our disagreement may come down to what we feel these constructs mean in Greek. I don't think that English is driving my reasoning here. Of course, we have all been conditioned by many things - English, the Greek grammars we have read, etc., and we have to test each of our intuitions against the data.Alan Bunning wrote: ↑December 20th, 2017, 3:22 pmThe more I look into this issue, the more it seems to me that such a search is merely finding the dative or genitive cases where they could sound like a direct object in English. Again, if I merely change the gloss in most of those cases, then now you are merely finding what sound like indirect objects in English.Jonathan Robie wrote: ↑December 20th, 2017, 1:14 pmI like the fact that I could easily query to find instances of dative or genitive objects. I don't think calling some of these complements would make it easier to query or understand. I don't think calling some of these obliques would make it easier to query or understand, and it would make it harder to find them.
In general, it's probably not helpful to keep repeating that we want to represent the Greek, not the English. That's axiomatic, and each of us is trying to do that. The more useful question is this: what does the Greek mean, and how do we best represent it?