εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

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εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Postby Mike Baber » May 20th, 2012, 9:15 pm

Is the component -γενής in the word εὐγενής related to the Greek verb γίνομαι?
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Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Postby Stephen Carlson » May 20th, 2012, 9:49 pm

Mike Baber wrote:Is the component -γενής in the word εὐγενής related to the Greek verb γίνομαι?


Yes, they are different ablaut (e-grade and zero-grade [in the reduplicated γι-γν-ο-μαι]) reflexes of the Proto-Indo-European root *gen-, to produce, beget, be born.
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Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Postby Louis L Sorenson » May 20th, 2012, 10:29 pm

This would be a good place to ask what are the best Greek etymological Dictionaries.
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Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Postby Stephen Carlson » May 20th, 2012, 10:36 pm

We had a discussion about that topic here: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=867&
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Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Postby Mike Baber » May 20th, 2012, 11:49 pm

I'm trying to understand the relationship between γένος and the suffix —γενής --- meaning, how —γενής is formed from γένος (I assume it is, so correct me if I am wrong).

es stem
γένος no contraction
γένεος → γένους
γένεϊ → γένει (synaeresis)
γένεα → γένη
γενέων → γενῶν
γένεσσι no contraction

Can someone tell me what's occurring in that table? Is the side to the right of the arrow basically referring to inflections of —γενής?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crasis

Also, are γεννάω and γίνομαι also related?
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Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Postby Stephen Carlson » May 21st, 2012, 7:14 am

Mike Baber wrote:I'm trying to understand the relationship between γένος and the suffix —γενής --- meaning, how —γενής is formed from γένος (I assume it is, so correct me if I am wrong).


γενής is not formed from γένος directly, but they are both formed from the same root in their ancestral language with different nominal suffixes.

Mike Baber wrote:es stem
γένος no contraction
γένεος → γένους
γένεϊ → γένει (synaeresis)
γένεα → γένη
γενέων → γενῶν
γένεσσι no contraction

Can someone tell me what's occurring in that table? Is the side to the right of the arrow basically referring to inflections of —γενής?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crasis


No, the right side of the arrow refers to Attic/Koine forms of the word γένος. -γενής has nothing to do with this chart.

Mike Baber wrote:Also, are γεννάω and γίνομαι also related?


Yes, in the ancestral language: they are also different reflexes of the same Indo-European root.
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Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Postby David Lim » May 21st, 2012, 10:48 am

Mike Baber wrote:γένος no contraction
γένεος → γένους
γένεϊ → γένει (synaeresis)
γένεα → γένη
γενέων → γενῶν
γένεσσι no contraction

Can someone tell me what's occurring in that table?


As Stephen has said, the table is about "γενος" and some of its declensions. From what I know, it is a third declension noun with its stem ending in "ος" for the nominative and accusative singular and "ες" for the rest. This results in loss of inter-vocalic sigma or contraction of a double sigma, and the vowels contract normally:
NSN: γενοσ → γενος
ASN: γενοσ → γενος
DSN: γενεσ + ι → γενει → γενει ( ε + ι → ει (spurious) )
GSN: γενεσ + ος → γενεος → γενους ( ε + ο → ου (spurious) )
NPN: γενεσ + α → γενεα → γενη ( ε + α → η )
APN: γενεσ + α → γενεα → γενη ( ε + α → η )
DPN: γενεσ + σιν → γενεσιν
GPN: γενεσ + ων → γενεων → γενων ( ε + ω → ω )

See http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/project/f ... on-14.html for more! :)
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