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εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Posted: May 20th, 2012, 9:15 pm
by Mike Baber
Is the component -γενής in the word εὐγενής related to the Greek verb γίνομαι?

Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Posted: May 20th, 2012, 9:49 pm
by Stephen Carlson
Mike Baber wrote:Is the component -γενής in the word εὐγενής related to the Greek verb γίνομαι?
Yes, they are different ablaut (e-grade and zero-grade [in the reduplicated γι-γν-ο-μαι]) reflexes of the Proto-Indo-European root *gen-, to produce, beget, be born.

Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Posted: May 20th, 2012, 10:29 pm
by Louis L Sorenson
This would be a good place to ask what are the best Greek etymological Dictionaries.

Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Posted: May 20th, 2012, 10:36 pm
by Stephen Carlson
We had a discussion about that topic here: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/vie ... f=30&t=867&

Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Posted: May 20th, 2012, 11:49 pm
by Mike Baber
I'm trying to understand the relationship between γένος and the suffix —γενής --- meaning, how —γενής is formed from γένος (I assume it is, so correct me if I am wrong).

es stem
γένος no contraction
γένεος → γένους
γένεϊ → γένει (synaeresis)
γένεα → γένη
γενέων → γενῶν
γένεσσι no contraction

Can someone tell me what's occurring in that table? Is the side to the right of the arrow basically referring to inflections of —γενής?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crasis

Also, are γεννάω and γίνομαι also related?

Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Posted: May 21st, 2012, 7:14 am
by Stephen Carlson
Mike Baber wrote:I'm trying to understand the relationship between γένος and the suffix —γενής --- meaning, how —γενής is formed from γένος (I assume it is, so correct me if I am wrong).
γενής is not formed from γένος directly, but they are both formed from the same root in their ancestral language with different nominal suffixes.
Mike Baber wrote:es stem
γένος no contraction
γένεος → γένους
γένεϊ → γένει (synaeresis)
γένεα → γένη
γενέων → γενῶν
γένεσσι no contraction

Can someone tell me what's occurring in that table? Is the side to the right of the arrow basically referring to inflections of —γενής?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crasis
No, the right side of the arrow refers to Attic/Koine forms of the word γένος. -γενής has nothing to do with this chart.
Mike Baber wrote:Also, are γεννάω and γίνομαι also related?
Yes, in the ancestral language: they are also different reflexes of the same Indo-European root.

Re: εὐγενής and its relation to γίνομαι

Posted: May 21st, 2012, 10:48 am
by David Lim
Mike Baber wrote:γένος no contraction
γένεος → γένους
γένεϊ → γένει (synaeresis)
γένεα → γένη
γενέων → γενῶν
γένεσσι no contraction

Can someone tell me what's occurring in that table?
As Stephen has said, the table is about "γενος" and some of its declensions. From what I know, it is a third declension noun with its stem ending in "ος" for the nominative and accusative singular and "ες" for the rest. This results in loss of inter-vocalic sigma or contraction of a double sigma, and the vowels contract normally:
NSN: γενοσ → γενος
ASN: γενοσ → γενος
DSN: γενεσ + ι → γενει → γενει ( ε + ι → ει (spurious) )
GSN: γενεσ + ος → γενεος → γενους ( ε + ο → ου (spurious) )
NPN: γενεσ + α → γενεα → γενη ( ε + α → η )
APN: γενεσ + α → γενεα → γενη ( ε + α → η )
DPN: γενεσ + σιν → γενεσιν
GPN: γενεσ + ων → γενεων → γενων ( ε + ω → ω )

See http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/project/f ... on-14.html for more! :)