I know the feeling, which is why I wanted some response or else the topic might die on the vine.RickBrannan wrote:Thanks for the interaction. First, realize I zapped off my first response in a spare two minutes (literally) before I left the office yesterday because I knew if I didn't do it then, I wouldn't do it.
OK. BDAG has a subsection of this verb with the meaning "perceive" and many of the same citations, including your quoted 1 Clem 4.7. I'm inclined to view this sense as an activity rather than a state.RickBrannan wrote:The reference list from 1Clem probably has some bad examples (results from a hasty search), and I didn't check over all the refs. My primary reason for responding regarding οραω was due to my experience with the verb in the Apostolic Fathers, where it functions somewhat like we use the word "see" in the sense of "understand".
Well, lexical aspect or Aktionsart has to do with the kind of action expressed by the verb (or the predicate). There are different understandings of it. A common understanding is to express the lexical aspect in terms of the Vendler categories, which is what Jonathan is doing. In other words, the goal of the categorization into states, activitivies, accomplishments, and achievements is really an attempt to characterize the lexical aspect.RickBrannan wrote:Formally, I know little to nothing about lexical aspect. This was one of those "wait, οραω is used differently than to literally see" moments while trying to understand Jonathan's post. Does anyone have a short definition/explanation of lexical aspect (all these 'aspects' are giving me headaches) to share so I can more fully grok the goal of the list/categorization you propose?
The Vendler categories are not the only way to express lexical aspect, but they're a common approach. I don't want to put words into Jonathan's mouth, but it seems that he wants to give this approach a shot and see how it works with the "facts upon the ground." In this case, your objection is as to meaning of ὁράω that it sometimes doesn't mean "see" is an appropriate and appreciated response.
ὁρῶ.RickBrannan wrote:Given the other projects I've got going in the next 3-6 months, I'm going to have to be a follower on these threads. To help me and others, could we try to define basic terms (maybe even a 'terminology' or 'glossary' subforum somewhere?) used by the threads that tend toward the more linguistic side of the discussion?