Stephen Hughes wrote:[Looking at a Greek construction] "in and of itself" is not such an easy thing to deal with, I find.
Justin Cofer wrote:So what's your opinion on the best way to help the student to get to this stage
Wes Wood wrote:Would you please make some suggestions on the types of materials you are referring to?
Well, these are wishlist items for Greek, not a available resources.Stephen Hughes wrote:A comprehensive but simple Greek - Greek (with English in brackets) (L2-L2(with L1 in brackets)) learner's dictionary with synonyms antonyms and common useages (collocations). Students who have reached higher than intermediate should have access to Greek - Greek (L2-L2) reference materials (without English (L1) in brackets)
My own notes that serve me as a stop-gap look like:
ῥίζα - (1) τὸ εντὸς τῆς γῆς μέρος τῶν φυτῶν; (2) (μτφ.) βάσις, θεμέλιον
>>ῥίζα, καρπὸν, κλῆμα/κλάδος, βλαστός, φύλλον, ἄνθος||<<δένδρον, χόρτος||++ ῥιζόω||(( ἔχειν||))βαστάζειν||
If that were adapted for (lower) intermediate students, it looks ugly, but it could be:
ῥίζα - (1) τὸ εντὸς τῆς γῆς μέρος τῶν φυτῶν [the part of a plant which is in the ground]; (2) (μτφ.) βάσις [lowest part], θεμέλιον [foundation]
>>ῥίζα [root], καρπὸν [fruit], κλῆμα/ κλάδος [branch], βλαστός [bud], φύλλον [leaf], ἄνθος [flower - part of a plant]||<<δένδρον [tree]), χόρτος [grass], ἄνθος [flower - plant]||++ ῥιζόω [uproot]||(( ἔχειν [to have]||))βαστάζειν [to support]||
The symbols mean:
>> belongs to the group
<< is part of a
++ other related parts of speech
(( one can __ it
)) it can
By way of a simple example:Stephen Hughes wrote:A set of grammatical transformations for every point of grammar together with the traditional "explanations and translations". That is to say that for at least all the major points of grammar, students should learn how to express that point of grammar without using itself in the paraphrase.
The genitive of material from which somethng is made can be expressed by an adjective in -ινος. Saying, "Can be expressed by a genitive in -ινος" as well as the usual explanation in English would probably be good for encouraging "in and of itself" interaction with the language.