There are said to be three "versions" of it.Louis L Sorenson wrote:memorizing passages in Greek like the Shema
Deuteronomy 6:4 wrote:Ἄκουε Ἰσραὴλ Κύριος ὁ Θεὸς ἡμῶν Κύριος εἷς ἐστιν
Mark 12:29-30 wrote:Ὁ δὲ Ἰησοῦς ἀπεκρίθη αὐτῷ ὅτι Πρώτη πάντων τῶν ἐντολῶν, Ἄκουε, Ἰσραήλ· Κύριος ὁ Θεὸς ἡμῶν, Κύριος εἷς ἐστίν· καὶ ἀγαπήσεις Κύριον τὸν Θεόν σου ἐξ ὅλης τῆς καρδίας σου, καὶ ἐξ ὅλης τῆς ψυχῆς σου, καὶ ἐξ ὅλης τῆς διανοίας σου, καὶ ἐξ ὅλης τῆς ἰσχύος σου. Αὕτη πρώτη ἐντολή.
1 Corinthians 8:6 wrote: ἀλλ’ ἡμῖν εἷς Θεὸς ὁ πατήρ, ἐξ οὗ τὰ πάντα, καὶ ἡμεῖς εἰς αὐτόν· καὶ εἷς Κύριος Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, δι’ οὗ τὰ πάντα, καὶ ἡμεῖς δι’ αὐτοῦ.
Stephen Hughes wrote:"Would I be memorising this in English?"
Louis L Sorenson wrote:I think the problem for the English learner of Koine using Eastern Orthodox music is that (1) the tonal system is different from American music and (2) often syllables are drawn out over several stanzas, and therefore comprehension is occluded because comprehension only happens above ca. 130+ words per minute.
Tait Sougstad wrote:Stephen Hughes wrote:"Would I be memorising this in English?"
One of my first motivations, Mr. Hughes, to learn the Biblical languages was just the sheer inconvenience of re-memorizing verses when I switched translations. (Wouldn't it just be nice if I just knew the original? That would save me so much time!) Most of the verses I've worked on have been from those verse I had already memorized in English. The ones you suggested would be great passages to work on, with good devotional and historical value.
I think it's interesting that we have yet (so far) to present any examples of GNT (or LXX!) that are presently set to music (or at least any music that is accessible to a 21st c. American.) I would be very surprised if there were so few musical uses of the Biblical languages through the years that they have been lost to the abyss of history. I understand that for many centuries, Latin was the primary ecclesiastic language, hence the plethora of material in that language. But, I am almost expecting to discover some music set to a Greek or Hebrew text around AD1500. Wouldn't it make sense if while the Renaissance is producing a "back-to-the-text" resurgence, and Erasmus is publishing his GNT, and the Reformation giants are admonishing people to learn the Biblical languages, that someone, somewhere would put some music to a few verses?
I thought that I would be reinventing the wheel by doing this myself, but perhaps this wheel has yet to be invented?
2) If one wanted to compose some music to help students memorize passages of the GNT, what kind of musical style should they use?
Louis L Sorenson wrote:Well, your choices are (1) to utilize existing tunes (a) Childrens song tunes, (b) Popular music 'pop tunes' or folk tunes (c) Christian song and hymn tunes or (2) write your own. In my opinion, after trying to put to pen more than 100 songs into Koine, tunes like that of 'Seek ye first' and 'On Eagle's wings' are easier to adapt text to because they are slower and syllables can be stretched across a number of beats. In other words, the slower and longer the music, the more ways you have of matching text to tune. But the fun factor is then missing, because those songs are not get up and go songs. Movement songs are really good for the learner. So how would one go about turning any specific NT passage into song?
Stephen Hughes wrote:Off topic a little: When I "memorised" the few passages that I have in Hebrew, I have had to write out a transliteration, memorise the sounds of the text and then use the script as a second goal in learning. Ancient languages which have non-alphabetic scripts also require even more effort to memorise the way it is written (in addition to the way it sounds). I suspect that some memorisers of Greek do the same thing at an early stage of their learning.
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