Jonathan Robie wrote:Reminder: we write posts in English on B-Greek.
I accept that reproof and I'll stop. Sorry for taking the liberty in this thread.
As people have probably guessed, I'm aiming to learn New Testament Greek as a second language
in which I can not only read, but also be literate in - rather than as a foreign language
in which I would be a passive only participant. I realise now that writing in Greek is an imposition of my personal views and learning biases on the community and that it is unreasonable to force others to understand Greek to understand my thoughts. I will try to brush up my English and continue participating in that way.
To make amends and to make people happy, let me interpolineate and "translate" (I'll keep the feel / mind of the Greek, but change the "language")
my posts in Greek - starting from the most recent and working back.Re: What form(s) should be learned for verbs?
Ὡς (as) ἁπλοῦν κεφάλαιον (a simple summary) ἀρκεῖ (it is sufficient) ἡμῖν (for us) ἡ παραίνησις αὐτή (this guideline). εἰ δὲ θέλομεν (but since we are wanting) ἀκριβέστερον (more acurately) διακρῖναί (to discern) τι ἢ ἐν τινὶ τρόπῳ (both what and by what means) ἔχομεν λυσιτελούντως (it would be advantageous for us) μαθεῖν (to learn) τὰ ῥηματα (the verbs that we find in the New Testament), θεωρῶμεν (lets take the time to look and see) εἰ (whether) ἡ ἐννοία (the sense) τοῦ ἀορίστου καὶ τοῦ ἐνεστῶτος (whether the sense of the aorist and the present) διαφέρει (differs) ἢ οὐ (or not). ἐὰν οὐ διαφέρουσιν αἱ δυό (If they do not differ - which I think will be the case), ἱκανοῖ εἷς χρόνος ὡς ἔλεγον (one "time" will suffice as I have been saying). ἐὰν διαφέρωσιν μὲν αἱ δυό (if they do actually differ), συμφέρει (it would help) μαθεῖν (to learn) καὶ τὰς δυὸ μορφὰς τοῦ ῥήματος (both forms of that verb).
"Such a guideline does us by way of a simple shortly put. But if we are wanting to more accurately to see the difference what and in which way we are having advantageously to learn the verbs, let us gaze upon if the sense of the aorist and of the present differs or no. If no they differ the two, suffices one tense as I was saying. If differ indeed the two, it is better to learn even the two forms of the verb."Re: What form(s) should be learned for verbs?
Ἔα! (Ughh!) Παρέβλεψα (I overlooked because I looked down on) τοῦτο τὸ νῆμα (this thread) νομίζων (considering) ἓμ βασικὸν ἐρώτημα (an elementary-level question) εἰναι (to be). Νῦν δὲ (As it now stands) δηλόν ἐστιν (it is clear) ἐκ τῶν συμμετοχῶν (from the participants) τε καὶ (both and) φύσεως (of nature) τοῦ διαλόγου (of the discussin) αὐτοῦ (of this) ὁτι (that) ἐν τούτῳ τῷ νήματι (in this thread) μελετῶμεν (we are ruminating) τὴγ κατανόησιν (the understanding) ἐκπαιδευτικῆς μεθοδολογίας (of an educational methodology). εἰς τοῦτο (to this end) δὲ (but) ἐᾶτε με (allow me) οὕτως (thus) ὀψὲ (late) ἀντιγράφειν (to coy from one place to another) μερικὰς σκέψεις (various viewpoints) μου (of me) ἀπὸ τοῦ σαυτοῦ νήματος (from the of yourself thread).
ὁμολογουμένως (admittedly) δὴ (forsooth) ἡ προηγουμένη (the aforegoing) διάνοια (mind) παραβαίνει (transgresses) ἐκ μέρους (from part) τὸ ζήτημα (the topic) ὃ (which) ἔθηκεν (posited) ὁ Ῥάνδαλλ (the Randall) ἀλλὰ (but rather) οὐκ ἠθέλησα (not I wanted) μετασχηματίσαι (to change the form of) τὸ προγεγραμμένον λόγιον the before written utterance μου (of me).
"Ughh! I looked beside this thread thinking a foundational question to be. Now now clear is out of the partakers and both of nature of the discussion of this that in this thread we are studying the understanding of a rearing study of pursuit. Into this but allow me thus late to copy from one place to another various viewpoints of me from the of yourself thread.
Admittedly forsooth the aforegoing mind transgresses from part the topic which posited the Randall but rather not I wanted to change the form of the before written utterance of me."
Jonathan Robie wrote:If people want a place to discuss Greek grammar in Greek, I can set up a forum for that.
I'm not in favour of splitting discussions in Greek off from discussions about Greek.
I wish to preach... that highest form of success which comes, not to the man who desires mere easy peace, but to the man who does not shrink from danger, from hardship, or from bitter toil, and who out of these wins the splendid ultimate triumph.(TR-1899)