Help me teach this class

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Re: Help me teach this class

Post by RandallButh » August 6th, 2015, 2:22 pm

This tablet doesn't seem to show the Greek properly.
I was thinking along Carl's lines though I would sat O DIHGOYMENOS
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Re: Help me teach this class

Post by Jonathan Robie » August 7th, 2015, 1:48 pm

Here's the script I'll use on Sunday. I think that breaking this up and assigning roles gets away from call-and-response repetition, and from the more boring read-one-sentence-after-another, and it does not take much time. It wouldn't work for all passages, but it does for this one. Adding the roles adds quite a bit of structural clarity without introducing English.

I suspect this might work best if I am ὁ διηγούμενος, or I may let someone whose Greek is pretty good do it while I sit back and relax. But whoever plays this role needs to be able to "run the show".
ὁ διηγούμενος:

Καὶ πορευομένων αὐτῶν ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ εἶπέν τις πρὸς αὐτόν·

ἄνθρωπός τις:

Ἀκολουθήσω σοι ὅπου ἐὰν ἀπέρχῃ.

ὁ Ἰησοῦς:

Αἱ ἀλώπεκες φωλεοὺς ἔχουσιν
καὶ τὰ πετεινὰ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ κατασκηνώσεις,
ὁ δὲ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου οὐκ ἔχει ποῦ τὴν κεφαλὴν κλίνῃ.
ὁ διηγούμενος:

εἶπεν δὲ πρὸς ἕτερον·

ὁ Ἰησοῦς:

Ἀκολούθει μοι.

ὁ διηγούμενος:

ὁ δὲ εἶπεν·

ἄνθρωπός ἕτερος:

Κύριε, ἐπίτρεψόν μοι ἀπελθόντι πρῶτον θάψαι τὸν πατέρα μου.

ὁ διηγούμενος:

εἶπεν δὲ αὐτῷ·

ὁ Ἰησοῦς:

Ἄφες τοὺς νεκροὺς θάψαι τοὺς ἑαυτῶν νεκρούς, σὺ δὲ ἀπελθὼν διάγγελλε τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ.
ὁ διηγούμενος:

εἶπεν δὲ καὶ ἕτερος·

ἄνθρωπός καὶ ἕτερος:

Ἀκολουθήσω σοι, κύριε· πρῶτον δὲ ἐπίτρεψόν μοι ἀποτάξασθαι τοῖς εἰς τὸν οἶκόν μου.

ὁ διηγούμενος:

εἶπεν δὲ ὁ Ἰησοῦς·

ὁ Ἰησοῦς:

Οὐδεὶς ἐπιβαλὼν τὴν χεῖρα ἐπ’ ἄροτρον καὶ βλέπων εἰς τὰ ὀπίσω εὔθετός ἐστιν τῇ βασιλείᾳ τοῦ θεοῦ.
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Re: Help me teach this class

Post by Jonathan Robie » August 7th, 2015, 2:17 pm

Some of these techniques take a lot more time than others. Formatting text is quick, and hard to get wrong. Making lists of questions and answers is harder for me currently, because the question/answer form does not make up a lot of the texts I generally read (yeah, I should read more Plato). But I expect to get better at that.

Finding appropriate images takes longer, and it's easy to get lost in that simply because I like looking at pictures. Since I don't have a projector in this classroom, I also have to limit myself to printing the pictures or displaying them on a tablet. Finding 2-3 pictures is reasonable, finding a picture for every concrete noun is not.

I think I need to limit the number of activities that take up the most preparation time, which is a good reason not to introduce too many new techniques in a given week, each technique takes time to master.
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Re: Help me teach this class

Post by Jonathan Robie » August 7th, 2015, 2:26 pm

Αἱ ἀλώπεκες φωλεοὺς ἔχουσιν
καὶ τὰ πετεινὰ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ κατασκηνώσεις,
ὁ δὲ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου οὐκ ἔχει ποῦ τὴν κεφαλὴν κλίνῃ.
Interesting to contrast this with John 19:30:
John 19:30 wrote:ὅτε οὖν ἔλαβεν τὸ ὄξος ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν· Τετέλεσται, καὶ κλίνας τὴν κεφαλὴν παρέδωκεν τὸ πνεῦμα.
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Re: Help me teach this class

Post by Jonathan Robie » August 7th, 2015, 4:53 pm

Jonathan Robie wrote:
Αἱ ἀλώπεκες φωλεοὺς ἔχουσιν
καὶ τὰ πετεινὰ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ κατασκηνώσεις,
ὁ δὲ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου οὐκ ἔχει ποῦ τὴν κεφαλὴν κλίνῃ.
Interesting to contrast this with John 19:30:
John 19:30 wrote:ὅτε οὖν ἔλαβεν τὸ ὄξος ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν· Τετέλεσται, καὶ κλίνας τὴν κεφαλὴν παρέδωκεν τὸ πνεῦμα.
... and with Luke 2:7:
Luke 2:7 wrote:καὶ ἔτεκεν τὸν υἱὸν αὐτῆς τὸν πρωτότοκον, καὶ ἐσπαργάνωσεν αὐτὸν καὶ ἀνέκλινεν αὐτὸν ἐν φάτνῃ, διότι οὐκ ἦν αὐτοῖς τόπος ἐν τῷ καταλύματι.
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Re: Help me teach this class

Post by RandallButh » August 8th, 2015, 4:36 am

Καὶ πορευομένων αὐτῶν ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ
It is often useful to rephrase things in full clauses when asking questions about a text. In this case one can say
καὶ [αὐτοὶ] ἐπορεύοντο ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ καὶ . . .
or ὅτε ἐπορεύοντο ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ . . .

If a student asks, then tell them that the meaning is the same with πορευομένων αὐτῶν ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ but this last method is demoted so that attention is on what follows with the main verb.
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Re: Help me teach this class

Post by Jonathan Robie » August 8th, 2015, 7:01 am

RandallButh wrote:
Καὶ πορευομένων αὐτῶν ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ
It is often useful to rephrase things in full clauses when asking questions about a text. In this case one can say
καὶ [αὐτοὶ] ἐπορεύοντο ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ καὶ . . .
or ὅτε ἐπορεύοντο ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ . . .

If a student asks, then tell them that the meaning is the same with πορευομένων αὐτῶν ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ but this last method is demoted so that attention is on what follows with the main verb.
Yes, that makes sense. I've written some sentences for each segment now, I'm not yet very practiced at writing questions in Greek and I suspect my questions need help, so I'll post them here and see how we can improve them.
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Re: Help me teach this class

Post by Jonathan Robie » August 8th, 2015, 7:32 am

I could use some help with questions. When I think like a teacher, I look at the different parts of the sentence and what should be emphasized, and try to turn that into questions. But I'm not at all used to writing Greek questions, and I haven't read a lot of questions in the literature, so I currently wind up writing a lot of my questions in English, then translating them. I suspect that shows badly in places. I'm also not used to formally teaching Greek at all, we've done reading groups rather than language instruction, so I'm not sure the right questions occur to me.

Here's the first section for tomorrow:
ὁ διηγούμενος:

Καὶ πορευομένων αὐτῶν ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ εἶπέν τις πρὸς αὐτόν·

ἄνθρωπός τις:

Ἀκολουθήσω σοι ὅπου ἐὰν ἀπέρχῃ.

ὁ Ἰησοῦς:

Αἱ ἀλώπεκες φωλεοὺς ἔχουσιν
καὶ τὰ πετεινὰ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ κατασκηνώσεις,
ὁ δὲ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου οὐκ ἔχει ποῦ τὴν κεφαλὴν κλίνῃ.
Here are some questions for this section - can they be improved? What other questions are worth asking?
  • ποῦ πορεύεσθαι τῶν μαθητῶν;
  • τινές εισιν ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ;
  • πρὸς τίνα εἶπέν ὁ ἄνθρωπος;
  • ὅπου ἀκολουθήσει ὁ ἄνθρωπος τόν Ἰησοῦν;
  • τί ἔχουσιν αἱ ἀλώπεκες; κατασκηνώσεις ἢ φωλεοὺς;
  • τί ἔχουσιν τὰ πετεινὰ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ; κατασκηνώσεις ἢ φωλεοὺς;
  • ἔχουσιν αἱ ἀλώπεκες φωλεοὺς; ναί ἢ οὔ;
  • ἔχουσιν αἱ ἀλώπεκες κατασκηνώσεις; ναί ἢ οὔ;
  • τίς ἐστιν ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου;
  • ποῦ κλινεῖ ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου;
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Re: Help me teach this class

Post by Jonathan Robie » August 8th, 2015, 7:34 am

Here is the second section, and some questions. Again, how can these questions be improved? What other questions would be good to ask?
ὁ διηγούμενος:

εἶπεν δὲ πρὸς ἕτερον·

ὁ Ἰησοῦς:

Ἀκολούθει μοι.

ὁ διηγούμενος:

ὁ δὲ εἶπεν·

ἄνθρωπός ἕτερος:

Κύριε, ἐπίτρεψόν μοι ἀπελθόντι πρῶτον θάψαι τὸν πατέρα μου.

ὁ διηγούμενος:

εἶπεν δὲ αὐτῷ·

ὁ Ἰησοῦς:

Ἄφες τοὺς νεκροὺς θάψαι τοὺς ἑαυτῶν νεκρούς, σὺ δὲ ἀπελθὼν διάγγελλε τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ.
Questions:
  • τίς εἶπεν πρὸς τόν ἕτερον;
  • τί εἶπεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς πρὸς τόν ἄνθρωπον ἕτερον;
  • τί θέλει ὁ ἄνθρωπος ποιῆσαι πρῶτον;
  • τί θέλει ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἵνα ὁ ἄνθρωπος ποιῆσαι;
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Re: Help me teach this class

Post by Jonathan Robie » August 8th, 2015, 7:36 am

Here is the third (and last) section, and some questions. Again, how can these questions be improved? What other questions would be good to ask?
ὁ διηγούμενος:

εἶπεν δὲ καὶ ἕτερος·

ἄνθρωπός καὶ ἕτερος:

Ἀκολουθήσω σοι, κύριε· πρῶτον δὲ ἐπίτρεψόν μοι ἀποτάξασθαι τοῖς εἰς τὸν οἶκόν μου.

ὁ διηγούμενος:

εἶπεν δὲ ὁ Ἰησοῦς·

ὁ Ἰησοῦς:

Οὐδεὶς ἐπιβαλὼν τὴν χεῖρα ἐπ’ ἄροτρον καὶ βλέπων εἰς τὰ ὀπίσω εὔθετός ἐστιν τῇ βασιλείᾳ τοῦ θεοῦ.
Questions:
  • τίς εἶπεν πρὸς τόν ἕτερον;
  • τί εἶπεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς πρὸς τόν ἄνθρωπον ἕτερον;
  • τί θέλει ὁ ἄνθρωπος ποιῆσαι πρῶτον;
  • τί θέλει ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἵνα ὁ ἄνθρωπος ποιῆσαι;
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