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Re: Concordance including all the versions?

Post by Jonathan Robie » January 16th, 2016, 10:42 pm

Alan Bunning wrote:βουονται, ?, GA-04, 9:06:13
This one looks like βουλονται to me, which also happens to be the reading in GA-02.
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Re: Concordance including all the versions?

Post by Alan Bunning » January 18th, 2016, 1:11 am

I am in agreement with everything suggested so far in round 1, which takes care of these words:

αλεκτυων, αλεκτρυων
απολακυψον, αποκαλυπτω
αποσειμπανως, απολιμπανως
αποστατησαντα, αποστατεω
βουονται, βουλομαι
βρωθη, βιβρωσκω

If nobody comments on a word, I will be inclined to consider it a spelling error for the word supplied in its relative position in the verse.

So for round 2, I am listing all of the words for which I have no suggested word. For these there is no similar word in its relative position, so anything you can suggest is welcome.

δερρην, ?, GA-05, 2:01:06, 20106
διιστορων, ?, GA-05, 5:17:23, 51723
δυδυμον, ?, GA-05, 3:06:15, 30615
εφνιδος, ?, GA-04, 3:21:34, 32134
ειωντο, ?, GA-05, 5:05:16, 50516
εκπρυξαμεν, ?, GA-04, 5:15:36, 51536
εμμενως, ?, GA-02, 27:20:03, 272003
επετων, ?, GA-05, 2:10:46, 21046
επουξ, ?, GA-P46, 19:05:06, 190506
ερυσαμην, ?, GA-P48, 5:23:27, 52327
ηρες, ?, GA-05, 4:20:15, 42015
κατε, ?, GA-P46, 6:15:33, 61533
λιων, ?, GA-05, 3:08:36, 30836
ταπρισεν, ?, GA-P9, 23:04:11, 230411
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Re: Concordance including all the versions?

Post by Jonathan Robie » January 18th, 2016, 10:40 am

Alan Bunning wrote:απανπληθει, παμπληθει, GA-029+, 3:23:18
Several other variants read πανπληθει here, rather than παμπληθει, I assume these are just variant spellings?
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Re: Concordance including all the versions?

Post by Wes Wood » January 18th, 2016, 12:52 pm

I think επουξ may be an error in your listing. It didn't match my transcription of P46. When I did a search to find the section in question (for some reason I couldn't find it in CSNTM), I stumbled on this article which has a clear picture of the text in question. For what little it's worth, I agree with him that the reading seems clear. http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blog ... n-p46.html
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Re: Concordance including all the versions?

Post by Jonathan Robie » January 18th, 2016, 12:55 pm

Alan Bunning wrote:I am in agreement with everything suggested so far in round 1, which takes care of these words:

αλεκτυων, αλεκτρυων
απολακυψον, αποκαλυπτω
αποσειμπανως, απολιμπανως
αποστατησαντα, αποστατεω
βουονται, βουλομαι
βρωθη, βιβρωσκω
To me, this notation isn't completely consistent. For αλεκτυων, αλεκτρυων, the second word corrects a misspelling. For βρωθη, the original word is correctly spelled and is a form of βιβρωσκω. For βουονται, the correct spelling is βουλονται, which is a form of βουλομαι. I think you know that, but the meaning of the second column isn't at all obvious to me, which makes it a little harder to follow.
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Re: Concordance including all the versions?

Post by Wes Wood » January 18th, 2016, 2:48 pm

Bezae appears to have a corrector that inserts ηγα into ολιων to form (I suppose) ολη γαιων. Assuming the worst (i.e. a scribal conjecture and not a correction to match an exemplar) it is still a better guess than I would've come up with.
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Re: Concordance including all the versions?

Post by Jonathan Robie » January 18th, 2016, 4:03 pm

For what it's worth, here are three tools that are pretty helpful for exploring possibilities:
  • The CNTR links (see Alan's latest post) show the readings of various manuscripts, which often have very similar meaning and offer great hints
  • Logeion lets you type in the first letters of a word and see possibilities
  • Katabiblon finds some words that others don't.
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Re: Concordance including all the versions?

Post by Wes Wood » January 18th, 2016, 4:05 pm

Conjecture, especially mine, is nearly worthless. My best guess for ηρες is that it was supposed to be a form of αἴρω, although it would be fun to conjecture a mistake for a word like εἴρω.
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Re: Concordance including all the versions?

Post by Stephen Hughes » January 18th, 2016, 11:18 pm

Alan Bunning wrote:επετων, ?, GA-05, 2:10:46, 21046
ἐπαιτῶν
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Re: Concordance including all the versions?

Post by Stephen Hughes » January 18th, 2016, 11:47 pm

Alan Bunning wrote:εμμενως, ?, GA-02, 27:20:03, 272003
ἐμμενῶς. LSJ give the uncontracted form of the adverb as ἐμμενέως. Is the word-order okay to put an adverb between a verb and a pronominal subject? I think that that would be a fundamental word order problem to be avoided.
ἐσφράγισεν ἐμμενῶς αὐτὸν
And put a seal on him abidingly
(perh. = "so he would abide there for a long while")
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