Well, it's important to get this one right: don't botch it!Stephen Carlson wrote:Nobody knows how to pronounce Carl Bache's name.
Pronouncing Carl Bache's Name
Pronouncing Carl Bache's Name
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect
So you are with the Μπάχαι crowd [using modern Greek as a close transliteration with known items], perhaps anglicized "bahk" or "bahkay"? This wouldn't 'batch' it or 'baysh' it.
Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect
"Choice implies meaning"?RandallButh wrote:So you are with the Μπάχαι crowd [using modern Greek as a close transliteration with known items], perhaps anglicized "bahk" or "bahkay"? This wouldn't 'batch' it or 'baysh' it.
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect
GROAN...cwconrad wrote:Well, it's important to get this one right: don't botch it!Stephen Carlson wrote:Nobody knows how to pronounce Carl Bache's name.
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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect
Close. I would thought that native (though not foreign) <ch> is equivalent to <ck> (or <k> at the beginning of words) in Scandinavian orthography, but that's just as a guess based on Swedish. But Danish could always be different. So I'm among those who don't really know, but "baytch" and "baysh" just seem to be wrong.RandallButh wrote:So you are with the Μπάχαι crowd [using modern Greek as a close transliteration with known items], perhaps anglicized "bahk" or "bahkay"? This wouldn't 'batch' it or 'baysh' it.
Stephen C. Carlson, Ph.D.
Melbourne, Australia
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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect
Since we're really guessing, I suppose we can rule out "Boche", the French derogatory term for Germans. If it's Dutch, my guess is that Randall was right after all (surprise, surprise!) and that the Koine pronunciation of Βάκχαι is about right. The "e" is surely not silent.Stephen Carlson wrote:Close. I would thought that native (though not foreign) <ch> is equivalent to <ck> (or <k> at the beginning of words) in Scandinavian orthography, but that's just as a guess based on Swedish. But Danish could always be different. So I'm among those who don't really know, but "baytch" and "baysh" just seem to be wrong.RandallButh wrote:So you are with the Μπάχαι crowd [using modern Greek as a close transliteration with known items], perhaps anglicized "bahk" or "bahkay"? This wouldn't 'batch' it or 'baysh' it.
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect
He is a Dane, though I suppose some could have a Dutch name.
Stephen C. Carlson, Ph.D.
Melbourne, Australia
Melbourne, Australia
Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect
Sorry about that -- I did mean Danish -- comes from knowing a little Dutch and no Danish (other than the pastry, that is, and Hamlet).
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
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Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
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Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect
As a Dane, I would say that the name is not originally Danish, since we do not have ch in our language except in loan words. However, the Danish pronunciation would be close to if you say "bar keg" and delete the final consonant. The Danish spelling of Carl is Karl. Now you know a bit more Danish, CarlStephen Carlson wrote:He is a Dane, though I suppose some could have a Dutch name.
Re: SBL session on the Greek Perfect
Well, in that respect, Danish doesn't differ from German. My Urgroßvater came over from Germany to the U.S. after the failed revolution of 1848, changing his name from Karl to Charles; my father went back to the original spelling, and I got my father's name and spelling. My puzzlement with Danish and Swedish has been with all the extra diacritical marks on the vowels.Iver Larsen wrote:As a Dane, I would say that the name is not originally Danish, since we do not have ch in our language except in loan words. However, the Danish pronunciation would be close to if you say "bar keg" and delete the final consonant. The Danish spelling of Carl is Karl. Now you know a bit more Danish, CarlStephen Carlson wrote:He is a Dane, though I suppose some could have a Dutch name.
I guess the subject has had a little seismic shift from the Greek Perfect to the Scandinavian less-than-perfect.
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)