Re: New Greek Teacher
Posted: November 9th, 2019, 11:49 am
For instance, if you were asking about a text in English, you would ask "who is speaking"? You would not ask "who is the subject of the verb 'to speak'"? When teaching Greek, do the same, ask "τίς λέγει;" And the answer should not be in English.Barry Hofstetter wrote: ↑November 9th, 2019, 11:46 amAdam, honestly, you are already doing a great deal that's right, and I think both you and your students will benefit. Doctor docendo discit! A couple of general principles:
1) Metalanguage discussion aside, the more your students and you engage in the Greek without English intervening the better. Try to think less in terms of translating and more in terms of understanding.
Again, think English. People who know English well can read the sentences. Start with a simple understanding of what the text says, without imposing any theology on it. Let the text form your theology, not the other way around.Barry Hofstetter wrote: ↑November 9th, 2019, 11:46 am2) Theology.... hmmm... I think one of the problems with Greek instruction at Christian institutions is that it often serves the purpose of theological apologetics. Best avoided. Work on understanding the Greek as Greek. If the NT, ask yourself and your students how someone with no prior exposure to the Gospel or to the LXX might have read the text. It's impossible to separate ourselves entirely from our reading of the text and equally difficult fully to engage the original context in that sense (so much we don't know), but it's worthwhile to engage in as an exercise, and often helps to see the Greek for what it is.
Absolutely.Barry Hofstetter wrote: ↑November 9th, 2019, 11:46 am3) Use texts outside of the NT as supplements. This exercises the students genuinely in the language (no help from memory) and drives them crazy, a major goal of any teacher... I used to teach Latin to Ph.D. students when I was at WTS. For a practice exam, I would give them a section from the Latin translation of 1st Maccabees. One student (who scored nearly perfectly on that practice test and easily passed his real exam) said in frustration, "What was that? It's like the Bible -- but not."
I doubt that reading widely in Greek is an efficient way to build language in your head, unless your reading comprehension is already very good. Read small bits repeatedly and in depth until you are “preaching” them. Learn how to ask questions in Greek and pepper the text you are reading with questions.
I would say instead, give students language they can understand at 90+%. That’s not the GNT. Sorry to disagree,ΔΔ... συγγνώμην ἔχε φίλε Δεβένιε, ἀλλὰ οὐ σύμφημι τῇ γνώμῃ σου ὅτι δεῖ μαθητὰς ἀναγνῶναι authentic texts. οἱ δὲ ἀναγνῶναι ἐκείνα οὐ δύνανται. κρεῖττον οὖν ἐστιν ἀναγνῶναι ὅ τι ἄν μαθηταὶ δύνωνται καταλαμβάνειν.[/size]
I don't think these two methods (or practices) are opposed to each other. Both are good. Think about why you would learn another living language you need. You want to have conversations? Then have conversations, mixing several languages or sign language if necessary, as long as you are understood - because that's the purpose of communcation. You want to read a book for entertainment or for studies? Then read, much and quickly, because if you want to enjoy a whole book or learn from it, you can't spend much time in one sentence. For example I can read a post in this forum quickly to find out the main point, without understanding much of the post. How useful it is for me depends on my needs at that moment. It doesn't necessarily help so much with the language, but the more I read in that way the more I understand. I have read through the GNT but can't say I understood much of the first parts. But I got better along the way (not as good as I would like, though). I just kept reading, sometimes quickly and sometimes less quickly, and I can recommend that.I doubt that reading widely in Greek is an efficient way to build language in your head, unless your reading comprehension is already very good. Read small bits repeatedly and in depth until you are “preaching” them. Learn how to ask questions in Greek and pepper the text you are reading with questions.
Very true, different types of reading for different purposes.
RE: Theology of the TextAdam Denoon wrote: ↑November 7th, 2019, 6:26 pmThe goal of the students (and my goal as their teacher) is to better understand the theology of the Text, and thus be better able to communicate its truths. That is, being able to identify grammatical-syntactical relationships present in the text to eliminate ambiguity and obtain a more robust interpretation of the author's intended meaning. Our goals in this context are purely Bible-Theology-oriented (Bible Theology according to the Philadelphia school of thought... a holistic biblical-and-systematic theology).
Dear Adam, welcome to B-Greek - the best way to learn a language is to teach itPaul-Nitz wrote: ↑November 9th, 2019, 12:35 pmAdam Denoon,
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If you like Grammar Translation methods, then Mounce, Croy, Machen, etc., all are the same to me. The only one that is a bit different is Dobson - less metalanguage and more simple practice. But our B-Greek member Shirley Rollinson improved on Dobson considerably and wrote a new, and free, textbook with the same good features.
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