Having problems viewing fonts? (Call for Guinea Pigs!)

Questions and discussion about B-Greek policies or the B-Greek forum.

Can you see the text correctly?

Yes
24
96%
No
1
4%
 
Total votes : 25

Re: Having problems viewing fonts? (Call for Guinea Pigs!)

Postby Jonathan Robie » June 17th, 2011, 4:29 pm

sccarlson wrote:Change that. The problem I'm having is that "Microsoft Sans Serif" font is an old VGA font on my system, so it is not anti-aliased or anything that makes it appear nice.

Did someone request or need this font to be so high on the list before Tahoma or Arial?


I have now put them in this order:

1. Arial - vanilla, available everywhere, lots of characters
2. Tahoma
3. Microsoft Sans-Serif
4. sans-serif (fallback)

Every new and fancy font seems to work better on some systems than others, so I'm putting the old standbys first.

This means IE6 users have problems with some characters, unless they upgrade to IE7, IE8, or IE9. Or IE6 users on lame boxes can upgrade to the Opera browser at http://www.opera.com.
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Re: Having problems viewing fonts? (Call for Guinea Pigs!)

Postby David Lim » June 22nd, 2011, 3:04 am

Jonathan Robie wrote:If these letters match the attachment, you are doing fine:

ἀ έ ῃ ϊ ὸ ῥ ϋ ᾧ

If not, please tell me:

1. What operating system you are using
2. What Web browser
3. Which of the following fonts do you have installed:

Palatino Linotype
Lucida Grande
Gentium
Abyssinica SIL


Hmm just a few days ago I could see them perfectly, because I have Gentium (using Firefox 2.0.0.20 on Win 98), but now I can't. Can Gentium be added back to the list? :)
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Re: Having problems viewing fonts? (Call for Guinea Pigs!)

Postby Nigel Chapman » June 22nd, 2011, 12:23 pm

Hi David,

Preferring Gentium without limiting it to just the Greek characters has already been shown to diminish readability for other readers.

Could you tell me if the following process works on your system.

1. Create a new bookmark (I called mine 'Gentrify')
2. Paste the following text into the 'Location' field (no spaces):

Code: Select all
javascript:regexp=/([\u0370-\u037D\u0386-\u0386\u0388-\u03FF\u1F00-\u1FFF][\u0370-\u037D\u0386-\u0386\u0388-\u03FF\u1F00-\u1FFF\s]*[\u0370-\u037D\u0386-\u0386\u0388-\u03FF\u1F00-\u1FFF]?)/g;markup='<span%20class="greek">$1</span>';divs=document.getElementsByTagName("DIV");for(d=0;d<divs.length;d++){if(divs[d].className.indexOf('postbody')==0){divs[d].innerHTML=divs[d].innerHTML.replace(regexp,markup);}}head=document.getElementsByTagName("HEAD");for(d=0;d<divs.length;d++){newStyle="<style>.greek{font-family:Gentium;font-size:116%;line-height:145%;}</style>";divs[d].innerHTML=divs[d].innerHTML+newStyle;}void(false);


3. Save the bookmark,
4. Go to a page containing Greek characters; e.g. the fourth page of this thread.
5. Click the bookmark.

If this works, your Greek characters now display in Gentium. I suspect, though, Firefox 2.0 is too archaic, and you would need FF 3.0 and equivalent. Have you considered Xubuntu as a free alternative to Win98? The XFCE window manager is incredibly lightweight and will run on almost any old hardware. You can probably find it for $10-15 on a Linux magazine-and-DVD at your local newsagent.

http://xubuntu.org/

For anyone else who wants to try this, you can replace "Gentium" in the above bookmark with whatever font you prefer. Just don't run it more than once on a page; the Greek text will keep increasing in size out of proportion to the English text.
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Re: Having problems viewing fonts? (Call for Guinea Pigs!)

Postby Jonathan Robie » June 22nd, 2011, 12:43 pm

Just did a little reading, looks like Windows 98 supports True Type fonts.

We might be able to support Windows 98 / Firefox in several ways:

1. Use Freesans, and ask Windows 98 people to install that font
2. Use Gentium, knowing full well that it's uglier, but also that it supports all the characters.

Why not go with Freesans? David - if we agree on Freesans, could you test that for us? Perhaps with more than one browser?

I agree with Nigel that Linux operating systems, which are free, work great with Unicode and work very well on ancient, wimpy hardware. I'm a Fedora guy. But I don't expect anyone to change their operating system just to get our site to look right.

Jonathan
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Re: Having problems viewing fonts? (Call for Guinea Pigs!)

Postby Jonathan Robie » June 22nd, 2011, 2:03 pm

I have now added FreeSans.

Windows 98 users: please install the FreeSans fonts from here:

http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/freefont/freefont-ttf.zip

Once you have installed, let me know if you can read polytonic Greek on this site. If you can try this with more than one Web browser, all the better - I don't know if I'll get IE6 to work or not this way.
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Re: Having problems viewing fonts? (Call for Guinea Pigs!)

Postby Jason Hare » June 22nd, 2011, 8:13 pm

Nigel Chapman wrote:Hi David,

Preferring Gentium without limiting it to just the Greek characters has already been shown to diminish readability for other readers.

Could you tell me if the following process works on your system.

1. Create a new bookmark (I called mine 'Gentrify')
2. Paste the following text into the 'Location' field (no spaces):

Code: Select all
javascript:regexp=/([\u0370-\u037D\u0386-\u0386\u0388-\u03FF\u1F00-\u1FFF][\u0370-\u037D\u0386-\u0386\u0388-\u03FF\u1F00-\u1FFF\s]*[\u0370-\u037D\u0386-\u0386\u0388-\u03FF\u1F00-\u1FFF]?)/g;markup='<span%20class="greek">$1</span>';divs=document.getElementsByTagName("DIV");for(d=0;d<divs.length;d++){if(divs[d].className.indexOf('postbody')==0){divs[d].innerHTML=divs[d].innerHTML.replace(regexp,markup);}}head=document.getElementsByTagName("HEAD");for(d=0;d<divs.length;d++){newStyle="<style>.greek{font-family:Gentium;font-size:116%;line-height:145%;}</style>";divs[d].innerHTML=divs[d].innerHTML+newStyle;}void(false);


3. Save the bookmark,
4. Go to a page containing Greek characters; e.g. the fourth page of this thread.
5. Click the bookmark.

If this works, your Greek characters now display in Gentium.


WOW!! Thanks for that!! Absolutely amazing.
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Re: Having problems viewing fonts? (Call for Guinea Pigs!)

Postby Stephen Carlson » June 22nd, 2011, 8:21 pm

Jason Hare wrote:WOW!! Thanks for that!! Absolutely amazing.


I want to second this. Great job, Nigel!
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Re: Having problems viewing fonts? (Call for Guinea Pigs!)

Postby David Lim » June 23rd, 2011, 12:39 am

Nigel Chapman wrote:Hi David,

Preferring Gentium without limiting it to just the Greek characters has already been shown to diminish readability for other readers.

Could you tell me if the following process works on your system.

1. Create a new bookmark (I called mine 'Gentrify')
2. Paste the following text into the 'Location' field (no spaces):

Code: Select all
javascript:regexp=/([\u0370-\u037D\u0386-\u0386\u0388-\u03FF\u1F00-\u1FFF][\u0370-\u037D\u0386-\u0386\u0388-\u03FF\u1F00-\u1FFF\s]*[\u0370-\u037D\u0386-\u0386\u0388-\u03FF\u1F00-\u1FFF]?)/g;markup='<span%20class="greek">$1</span>';divs=document.getElementsByTagName("DIV");for(d=0;d<divs.length;d++){if(divs[d].className.indexOf('postbody')==0){divs[d].innerHTML=divs[d].innerHTML.replace(regexp,markup);}}head=document.getElementsByTagName("HEAD");for(d=0;d<divs.length;d++){newStyle="<style>.greek{font-family:Gentium;font-size:116%;line-height:145%;}</style>";divs[d].innerHTML=divs[d].innerHTML+newStyle;}void(false);


3. Save the bookmark,
4. Go to a page containing Greek characters; e.g. the fourth page of this thread.
5. Click the bookmark.

If this works, your Greek characters now display in Gentium. I suspect, though, Firefox 2.0 is too archaic, and you would need FF 3.0 and equivalent. Have you considered Xubuntu as a free alternative to Win98? The XFCE window manager is incredibly lightweight and will run on almost any old hardware. You can probably find it for $10-15 on a Linux magazine-and-DVD at your local newsagent.

http://xubuntu.org/

For anyone else who wants to try this, you can replace "Gentium" in the above bookmark with whatever font you prefer. Just don't run it more than once on a page; the Greek text will keep increasing in size out of proportion to the English text.


I really don't understand; I have not done a single thing but now can see the characters!! Amazing..
Anyway for Funk's Grammar and this forum I already had a back-up bookmark in case the problem is not easily solved:
javascript:document.body.style.fontFamily=%22Gentium%22;document.body.style.fontSize=%2212px%22;void(0);
It will just change everything in document.body to the Gentium font ;)
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Re: Having problems viewing fonts? (Call for Guinea Pigs!)

Postby Jonathan Robie » June 23rd, 2011, 7:40 am

David Lim wrote:I really don't understand; I have not done a single thing but now can see the characters!! Amazing.


Do you happen to have FreeSans installed? If so, that would explain it, I added FreeSans back to the font list.

Were you having the same problem with the Funk Grammar?
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Re: Having problems viewing fonts? (Call for Guinea Pigs!)

Postby Jonathan Robie » June 23rd, 2011, 6:32 pm

OK, we have at least one holdout. If you're person who voted "no", please see if the fonts show up properly now. If they do, please change your vote; if they do not, please comment here or send me email at jonathan.robie@ibiblio.org and tell me what operating system and browser you are on.
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