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Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

Posted: July 12th, 2014, 8:29 pm
by Penn Tomassetti
MAubrey wrote:Consonant clusters, I can provide more help...even if you weren't asking.
I appreciate this, too. I hope I'm not asking too much if I add, but what about vowel clusters, like οι / υι / ηυ?

Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 12:28 am
by Stephen Carlson
Penn Tomassetti wrote:
Stephen Carlson wrote:The request for online sources only is rather frustrating . . . (Heck, you might even find an pirated copy of it online somewhere if you are really look hard.)
I am sorry to have frustrated you with my question. Perhaps you shouldn't have bothered to answer. Frankly, I am shocked that you would suggest using a pirated copy of anything. That is really low. It's not as if I couldn't ask a library for the author you suggested. Anyhow, I'm not asking you to detail the evidence item by item. Just for someone to point me in the right direction, which I see you have done. Thank you for the little bit of info you were willing to share and I hope it wasn't a bother for you to do so.
Well, then check the book out of the library. Or buy it. Used, it may not even be that much. It has the kind of detail you're looking for, and it is aware of the limitations of the evidence (e.g., transliteration).

Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 8:49 am
by RandallButh
Penn Tomassetti wrote:
MAubrey wrote:Consonant clusters, I can provide more help...even if you weren't asking.
I appreciate this, too. I hope I'm not asking too much if I add, but what about vowel clusters, like οι / υι / ηυ?
While υι is called a dipthong, we have that fascinating papyrus from 100CE with
τω οιειωι 'to the son'.

Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

Posted: July 15th, 2014, 12:23 pm
by Penn Tomassetti
Stephen Carlson wrote: Well, then check the book out of the library. Or buy it. Used, it may not even be that much. It has the kind of detail you're looking for, and it is aware of the limitations of the evidence (e.g., transliteration).
Thanks for this, Stephen. You are right, I just checked and it is not that expensive used. And sorry about my mistaken response regarding what was frustrating and the book.

Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

Posted: July 15th, 2014, 12:36 pm
by Penn Tomassetti
RandallButh wrote:
Penn Tomassetti wrote:
MAubrey wrote:Consonant clusters, I can provide more help...even if you weren't asking.
I appreciate this, too. I hope I'm not asking too much if I add, but what about vowel clusters, like οι / υι / ηυ?
While υι is called a dipthong, we have that fascinating papyrus from 100CE with
τω οιειωι 'to the son'.
Thank you, Randall. Is that papyrus 109.2? Does that spelling indicate whether the sound of οι / υι was üi?