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Consider _him_ (Heb 12:3)

Posted: November 3rd, 2016, 8:14 am
by Tim Evans
I have a feeling this might be a stupid question, but I am stuck none the less, so I am going to ask. :D

I am working through trying to untangle the greek of Hebrews. With regards to this phrase:
ἀναλογίσασθε γὰρ °τὸν τοιαύτην ὑπομεμενηκότα ὑπὸ τῶν ἁμαρτωλῶν εἰς ⸀ἑαυτὸν ἀντιλογίαν,
Most translations have "Consider him" (In NLT it comes out as "he".

Where does the him come from? Is the present perfect participle coming out in a literal sense as "he endured", and then it is glossed for better English form/structure to "him"?

Thanks!

Re: Consider _him_ (Heb 12:3)

Posted: November 3rd, 2016, 9:51 am
by Jason Hare
Tim Evans wrote:I have a feeling this might be a stupid question, but I am stuck none the less, so I am going to ask. :D

I am working through trying to untangle the greek of Hebrews. With regards to this phrase:
ἀναλογίσασθε γὰρ °τὸν τοιαύτην ὑπομεμενηκότα ὑπὸ τῶν ἁμαρτωλῶν εἰς ⸀ἑαυτὸν ἀντιλογίαν,
Most translations have "Consider him" (In NLT it comes out as "he".

Where does the him come from? Is the present perfect participle coming out in a literal sense as "he endured", and then it is glossed for better English form/structure to "him"?

Thanks!
τὸν... ὑπομεμενηκότα (that is, ὁ ὑπομεμενηκώς) is functioning substantively. It means "the one who had endured" or "he who had endured." Thus, the personal pronoun is contained in the substantive use of the participle. "Consider the one who...."

Re: Consider _him_ (Heb 12:3)

Posted: November 3rd, 2016, 5:50 pm
by Tim Evans
τὸν... ὑπομεμενηκότα (that is, ὁ ὑπομεμενηκώς) is functioning substantively. It means "the one who had endured" or "he who had endured." Thus, the personal pronoun is contained in the substantive use of the participle. "Consider the one who...."
Oh, of course, thanks! While being aware of this usage of the participle, I think the fact that it was the accusative, (i.e. not ὁ) and was in the perfect, and had τοιαύτην stuffed in the middle threw me off.

Thanks!