How many loaves?

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Alan Bunning
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How many loaves?

Post by Alan Bunning » April 3rd, 2017, 11:14 am

Matt. 15:34 ποσουσ αρτουσ εχετε – How many loaves do you have?
Mark 8:5 ποσουσ εχετε αρτουσ – How many [of you] have loaves????

Could these verses really have two different meanings or is it merely a difference in word order? Yet another example with the verb coming in between. The second translation does not seem possible because ποσουσ is accusative. I got to wonder about this because there are variants at both Mark 6:38 and Mark 8:5 where some scribes tried to make them both read the same. If there was no difference in meaning, I not sure why a scribe would care to try to make them the same.

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Re: How many loaves?

Post by Stephen Hughes » April 3rd, 2017, 3:57 pm

Alan Bunning wrote:
April 3rd, 2017, 11:14 am
How many [of you] have loaves?
Τίς δὲ ἐξ ὑμῶν ἄρτους ἔχει; (Raise your hand if you have bread).
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)

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Re: How many loaves?

Post by timothy_p_mcmahon » April 3rd, 2017, 8:24 pm

Alan Bunning wrote:
April 3rd, 2017, 11:14 am
The second translation does not seem possible because ποσους is accusative.
Exactly.

As for the variation in word order, it could be a scribe tending to regularize, either consciously or unintentionally.

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Re: How many loaves?

Post by Stephen Carlson » April 5th, 2017, 4:57 am

Alan Bunning wrote:
April 3rd, 2017, 11:14 am
Matt. 15:34 ποσουσ αρτουσ εχετε – How many loaves do you have?
Mark 8:5 ποσουσ εχετε αρτουσ – How many [of you] have loaves????
Thanks for the minimal pair. Worth studying later.
Alan Bunning wrote:
April 3rd, 2017, 11:14 am
If there was no difference in meaning, I not sure why a scribe would care to try to make them the same.
Harmonization to the more popular text of Matthew is held by textual critics to be a source of variants in Mark.
Stephen C. Carlson, Ph.D.
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