Question about the consonant "γ"

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Question about the consonant "γ"

Post by Paulo Albuquerque » December 3rd, 2017, 10:51 pm

I realized that the consonant "γ" has three different types of pronunciation: ἀγγεῖον (ɡ), γυνὴ (ɣ) and ἐγένετο (ʝ). How do I know when to use each of these different sounds?
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Re: Question about the consonant "γ"

Post by Jason Hare » December 4th, 2017, 9:32 am

paulinhoch18 wrote:
December 3rd, 2017, 10:51 pm
I realized that the consonant "γ" has three different types of pronunciation: ἀγγεῖον (ɡ), γυνὴ (ɣ) and ἐγένετο (ʝ). How do I know when to use each of these different sounds?
The same way you know in English that "ng" is [ŋ], that "ga," "go" and "gu" is [g] and that "ge," "gi" and "gy" is [ʤ].

γγ [ŋ]
γα, γο, γω [ɣ]
γε, γι, γη, γυ, γοι [j] ("y")

Does that make sense?
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Re: Question about the consonant "γ"

Post by Paulo Albuquerque » December 4th, 2017, 11:26 pm

Thanks for answering me. That helped me a lot. I would like to know where to find such information regarding other consonants in Koine Greec. Like the τ, π, κ, and all others.
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Re: Question about the consonant "γ"

Post by Jason Hare » December 5th, 2017, 12:17 am

paulinhoch18 wrote:
December 4th, 2017, 11:26 pm
Thanks for answering me. That helped me a lot. I would like to know where to find such information regarding other consonants in Koine Greec. Like the τ, π, κ, and all others.
Have you checked Randall Buth's Ἡ Κοινὴ Προφορά – Koiné Pronunciation?
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Re: Question about the consonant "γ"

Post by Jason Hare » December 5th, 2017, 12:18 am

By the way, if you don't mind, what is your last name? We have a forum policy that one must use his or her real name to participate on the forum. I can add it to your signature, if you like (as you see mine), or we can change your username.

Thanks,
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Re: Question about the consonant "γ"

Post by Paulo Albuquerque » December 5th, 2017, 9:44 am

Jason Hare wrote:
December 5th, 2017, 12:18 am
By the way, if you don't mind, what is your last name? We have a forum policy that one must use his or her real name to participate on the forum. I can add it to your signature, if you like (as you see mine), or we can change your username.
I'm sorry. I tried to add my real name but I couldn't. Can you change my username, please? My name is Paulo Albuquerque.
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Re: Question about the consonant "γ"

Post by Paulo Albuquerque » December 5th, 2017, 9:48 am

Jason Hare wrote:
December 5th, 2017, 12:17 am
paulinhoch18 wrote:
December 4th, 2017, 11:26 pm
Thanks for answering me. That helped me a lot. I would like to know where to find such information regarding other consonants in Koine Greec. Like the τ, π, κ, and all others.
Have you checked Randall Buth's Ἡ Κοινὴ Προφορά – Koiné Pronunciation?
Yes. I already read this text. But it does not address all the letters. It does not say, for example, when the consonant τ is pronounced with a sound of [t] and when it is pronounced with a sound of [d]. I wanted something more complete. The information you gave me about the Gamma I didn't find anywhere else.
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Re: Question about the consonant "γ"

Post by Jason Hare » December 5th, 2017, 3:22 pm

Paulo Albuquerque wrote:
December 5th, 2017, 9:48 am
Jason Hare wrote:
December 5th, 2017, 12:17 am
paulinhoch18 wrote:
December 4th, 2017, 11:26 pm
Thanks for answering me. That helped me a lot. I would like to know where to find such information regarding other consonants in Koine Greec. Like the τ, π, κ, and all others.
Have you checked Randall Buth's Ἡ Κοινὴ Προφορά – Koiné Pronunciation?
Yes. I already read this text. But it does not address all the letters. It does not say, for example, when the consonant τ is pronounced with a sound of [t] and when it is pronounced with a sound of [d]. I wanted something more complete. The information you gave me about the Gamma I didn't find anywhere else.
Why would τ be pronounced as [d]?
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Re: Question about the consonant "γ"

Post by Stephen Carlson » December 5th, 2017, 5:01 pm

Jason Hare wrote:
December 5th, 2017, 3:22 pm
Why would τ be pronounced as [d]?
In Modern Greek, τ is pronounced as [d] after a v. There is some evidence, I believe (Horrocks?), that it may have already happened in Koine times, as with παντα /panda/.
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Re: Question about the consonant "γ"

Post by Jason Hare » December 5th, 2017, 9:34 pm

Stephen Carlson wrote:
December 5th, 2017, 5:01 pm
Jason Hare wrote:
December 5th, 2017, 3:22 pm
Why would τ be pronounced as [d]?
In Modern Greek, τ is pronounced as [d] after a v. There is some evidence, I believe (Horrocks?), that it may have already happened in Koine times, as with παντα /panda/.
Interesting. I just use [t]. Shrug.
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