Severian translation check

Severian translation check

Postby John Litteral » June 26th, 2014, 8:32 pm

II was wondering if this translation can be check to see if it is accurate? It is a quote from Severian on 1 Thessalonians 1:2-3.

Καὶ ἡ μὲν πίστις ἐγείρει πρὸς καμάτους, ἡ δὲ ἀγάπη ἐπιμένειν ποιεῖ τοῖς πόνοις. " ἔμπροσθεν τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ "Πατρὸς ἡμῶν, ἵνα εἴπῃ ὅτι ἀρέσκοντες τῷ Θεῷ ταῦτα ποιεῖτε, ὥστε φανῆναι Θεοῦ ἀρέσκειαν τὴν ἐπὶ τὸν Χριστὸν πίστιν καὶ τὴν περὶ αὐτὸν διάθεσιν. καὶ τῆς ὑπομονῆς, φησίν. οὐ γὰρ πρὸς ἕνα χρόνον ὁ διωγμὸς ἐκεῖνος, ἀλλὰ διὰ παντός. ταῦτα τοίνυν, φησὶ, πάντα ἀπὸ πίστεως ποιεῖτε καὶ ἐλπίδος. ὥστε οὐ τὴν ἀν- δρείαν αὐτῶν μόνον ἐδήλου τὰ γινόμενα, ἀλλ' ὅτι καὶ μετὰ πλτμ ροφορίας ἐπίστευον τοῖς ἀποκειμένοις ἐπάθλοις· διὰ γὰρ τοῦτο συνεχώρει ὁ Θεὸς εὐθέως γίνεσθαι διωγμοὺς, ἵνα μή τις εἴπῃ ὅτι ἁπλῶς καὶ κολακεία τὸ κήρυγμα συνίστατο, καὶ ἵνα τὸ θερμὸν αὐτῶν δειχθῇ, καὶ ὅτι οὐ πεισμονὴ ἀνθρωπίνη, ἀλλὰ Θεοῦ δύναμις ἦν, ἡ τὰς τῶν πιστευόντων ψυχὰς πείθουσα, ὥστε καὶ πρὸς θανάους μυρίους παρεσκευάσθαι· ὅπερ οὐκ ἃν ἦν, εἰ μὴ εὐθέως κατὰ βάθος τὸ κήρυγμα πεπήγει, καὶ ἕστηκεν ἀκλινές. Εἰδότες, ἀδελφοὶ ἠγαπημένοι ὑπὸ Θεοῦ, τὴν ἐκλογὴν ὑμῶν, ὅτι τὸ εὐαγγέλιον ἡμῶν οὐκ ἐγενήθη εἰς ὑμᾶς ἐν λόγῳ μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἐν δυνάμει, καὶ Πνεύματι Ἁγίῳ, καὶ ἐν πληροφορίᾳ πολλῇ, καθὼς οἴδατε οἷοι ἐγενήθημεν ἐν ὑμῖν δι' ὑμᾶς

And while faith stirs up towards toils, love causes to endure with labors. "Before God and 'our father'," so that he may say that you are doing this having pleased God, so as to be made out that faith unto Christ and the disposition for him is obsequiousness to God. And "patience/steadfastness," he says. For that persecution is not for a single period of time, but is forever. Well then, all these, he says, you are doing from faith and hope. Therefore, he was showing not only their courage with regard to these events, but also that they were putting their faith with certainty in the out-of-sight rewards; For because of this, God immediately allowed persecution to happen, (namely) so that no one would say that the preaching arose simply and with flattery; and so that it would be shown during their fever, because it was also not a human persuasion, but a miracle of God, one that persuades the souls of the believers, so as to prepare themselves for countless deaths. That would not be just so, had the preaching not been fixed in a descending scale, and had been (instead) set up unswervingly. knowing, brethren beloved by God, [His] choice of you; for our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction; just as you know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake. (1 Thess. 4-5).

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A few points about your translation...

Postby Stephen Hughes » June 27th, 2014, 5:25 am

διὰ παντός could be "on-going" perhaps, continuity not the end.
"out-of-sight"? is that the sense
πλτμ ροφορίας?
persecution - διωγμοὺς - agreement of number
arose - συνίστατο - There are much better senses
θερμὸν - fever - fervence (under persecution)
καὶ ὅτι - no need to reverse these
believers - those who by the persuation come to believe
ὅπερ οὐκ ἃν ἦν, εἰ μὴ εὐθέως κατὰ βάθος τὸ κήρυγμα πεπήγει, καὶ ἕστηκεν ἀκλινές. - That would not be just so, had the preaching not been fixed in a descending scale, and had been (instead) set up unswervingly. - please explain how you got this...
ἐγενήθημεν - we proved to be - your translation alternates in this sentence between slavish literalism and and for this verb, creative explication.
I wish to preach... that highest form of success which comes, not to the man who desires mere easy peace, but to the man who does not shrink from danger, from hardship, or from bitter toil, and who out of these wins the splendid ultimate triumph.(TR-1899)
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