Temporal relation - Irenaus Contra Haereses

Temporal relation - Irenaus Contra Haereses

Postby Peter Streitenberger » December 12th, 2012, 6:54 pm

Dear Friends of Greek,

I'd like to hear your comments on the following passage: "KAI DIA TOUTO, EN TW TELEI AQROWS ENTEUQEN THS EKKLHSIAS ANALAMBANOMENHS, ESTAI, FHSIN, QLIYIS, hOIA OUK EGENETO AP' ARCHS OUD' OU MH GENHTAI". (Contra Haereses, 5.Book, 29.Chapter)

An English translation gives this rendering: "And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, „There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.“

I'm concerned about the temporal relation between the Genitivus absolutus "THS EKKLHSIAS ANALAMBANOMENHS" and the main verb "ESTAI". Are this two clauses at the same time or does the first one preceed the main clause ? That means is the Church caught up during the tribulation occurs or is the tribulation after the church is let's say "raptured".
Thank you for *every* comment !
Yours
Peter, Germany
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Re: Temporal relation - Irenaus Contra Haereses

Postby Louis L Sorenson » December 12th, 2012, 10:51 pm

Is the passage Book 5, Chapter/Fragment 24? Here is the Greek in Unicode:

Καὶ διὰ τοῦτο, ἐν τῷ τέλει ἀθρόως ἐντεῦθεν τῆς ἐκκλησίας ἀναλαμβανομένης, «ἔσται», φησίν, «θλῖψις, οἵα οὐκ ἐγένετο ἀπ' ἀρχῆς οὐδ' οὐ μὴ γένηται». Ἔσχατος γὰρ ἀγὼν οὗτος τῶν δικαίων, ὃν νικήσαντες στεφανοῦνται τὴν ἀφθαρσίαν.
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