Re: ἀλλ’ οὐδὲ in Origen
Posted: February 19th, 2014, 8:35 am
I have found another translation of Origen's:
αἰσχρὸν γὰρ γυναικὶ λαλεῖν ἐν ἐκκλησίᾳ, καὶ διδάσκειν δὲ γυναικὶ οὐκ ἐπιτρέπω ἁπλῶς ἀλλ’ οὐδὲ αὐθεντεῖν ἀνδρός.
in Roger Gryson's 'The ministry of women', as quoted at Michael Marlowe's site:
'For [as Paul declares] "I do not permit a woman to teach," and even less "to tell a man what to do.'
which supports Professor Conrad's view that the author sees αὐθεντεῖν ἀνδρός as the more serious impropriety, and also I think my point that in English at least one has to do something - such as adding 'less' as here - to give it that sense.
Andrew
αἰσχρὸν γὰρ γυναικὶ λαλεῖν ἐν ἐκκλησίᾳ, καὶ διδάσκειν δὲ γυναικὶ οὐκ ἐπιτρέπω ἁπλῶς ἀλλ’ οὐδὲ αὐθεντεῖν ἀνδρός.
in Roger Gryson's 'The ministry of women', as quoted at Michael Marlowe's site:
'For [as Paul declares] "I do not permit a woman to teach," and even less "to tell a man what to do.'
which supports Professor Conrad's view that the author sees αὐθεντεῖν ἀνδρός as the more serious impropriety, and also I think my point that in English at least one has to do something - such as adding 'less' as here - to give it that sense.
Andrew