Apocalypsis apocrypha Joannis 13.12

Apocalypsis apocrypha Joannis 13.12

Postby Peter Streitenberger » January 6th, 2012, 10:16 am

Dear Friends,

In this passage it reads:

ὁ ἀπόστολος Παῦλος· ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα. καὶ τότε ἐξέλθῃ πᾶν πνεῦμα πονηρόν, τὰ ἐν τῇ γῇ, τὰ ἐν τῇ ἀβύσσῳ, ὅπου ἐάν εἰσιν ἐπὶ προσώπου πάσης τῆς γῆς ἀπὸ ἀνατολῶν ἡλίου μέχρι δυσμῶν, καὶ κολληθήσονται πρὸς τὸν ὑπηρετούμενον παρὰ τοῦ διαβόλου ἤτοι τὸν ἀντίχριστον, καὶ ἀρθήσονται ἐπὶ τῶν νεφελῶν.

I can't translate and understand the last sentence: καὶ ἀρθήσονται ἐπὶ τῶν νεφελῶν
All the rest is clear. Can you tell me what the word ἀρθήσονται means and what the sense is?

Thank you again !
Yours
Peter
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Re: Apocalypsis apocrypha Joannis 13.12

Postby Jason Hare » January 6th, 2012, 10:22 am

ἀρθήσομαι is the future passive of αἴρω (ἀείρω).

Do you have the continuation of this text?
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Re: Apocalypsis apocrypha Joannis 13.12

Postby Peter Streitenberger » January 6th, 2012, 10:30 am

Dear Jason,

oh, yes, thank you ! I tend to forget word forms that occur not that often.

Yes, I can give you the context of this sentence:

13 ἀροῦσιν ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς πᾶν ἔνδοξον καὶ πᾶν τίμιον, καὶ τὰς σεπτὰς καὶ ἁγίας εἰκόνας, καὶ τοὺς ἐνδόξους καὶ τιμίους σταυρούς, καὶ τὰ ἱερὰ τῶν ἐκκλησιῶν, καὶ τὰς θείας καὶ ἱερὰς βίβλους· καὶ τὰ τίμια καὶ ἅγια πάντα ἀρθήσονται ὑπὸ νεφελῶν ἐν τῷ ἀέρι. καὶ τότε κελεύσω ἀρθῆναι τὸ μέγα καὶ σεβάσμιον σκῆπτρον, ἐν ᾧ τὰς χεῖράς μου ἥπλωσα ἐν αὐτῷ, καὶ προσκυνήσουσιν αὐτῷ πάντα τὰ τάγματα τῶν ἀγγέλων μου. καὶ τότε ἀρθήσεται πᾶσα φύσις ἀνθρώπων ἐπὶ νεφελῶν, καθὼς προεῖπεν ὁ ἀπόστολος Παῦλος· ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα. καὶ τότε ἐξέλθῃ πᾶν πνεῦμα πονηρόν, τὰ ἐν τῇ γῇ, τὰ ἐν τῇ ἀβύσσῳ, ὅπου ἐάν εἰσιν ἐπὶ προσώπου πάσης τῆς γῆς ἀπὸ ἀνατολῶν ἡλίου μέχρι δυσμῶν, καὶ κολληθήσονται πρὸς τὸν ὑπηρετούμενον παρὰ τοῦ διαβόλου ἤτοι τὸν ἀντίχριστον, καὶ ἀρθήσονται ἐπὶ τῶν νεφελῶν. 14 Καὶ πάλιν εἶπον· κύριε, καὶ ἀπὸ τότε τί μέλλεις ποιεῖν; καὶ ἤκουσα φωνῆς λεγούσης μοι· ἄκουσον, δίκαιε Ἰωάννη· τότε ἀποστελῶ τοὺς ἀγγέλους μου ἐπὶ προσώπου πάσης τῆς γῆς, καὶ κατακαύσουσιν τὴν γῆν πήχας ὀκτακισχιλίας πεντακοσίας, καὶ κατακαήσονται τὰ ὄρη τὰ μεγάλα, καὶ αἱ πέτραι πᾶσαι χωνευθήσονται καὶ γενήσονται ὡσεὶ κονιορτός, καὶ κατακαήσονται πᾶν δένδρον καὶ πᾶν κτῆνος καὶ πᾶν ἑρπετὸν ἕρπον ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς καὶ πᾶν συρόμενον ἐπὶ προσώπου τῆς γῆς, καὶ πᾶν πετεινὸν πετόμενον ἐπὶ τὸν ἀέρα, καὶ οὐκέτι ἔσται ἐπὶ προσώπου πάσης τῆς γῆς σαλευόμενόν τι, καὶ ἔσται ἡ γῆ ἀκίνητος.

Thank you for any help !
Yours
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Re: Apocalypsis apocrypha Joannis 13.12

Postby Louis L Sorenson » January 6th, 2012, 4:54 pm

Sounds like Star Wars episode 5. : This is a context question. Many things are ἀρθήσεται / ἀρθήσονται· either υπὸ τῶν νεφελῶν or ἐπὶ νεφελῶν. So I would have to say the meaning is the same as the other places ( Mt. 24.30 and 26.64 have the phrase ἐπὶ τῶν νεφελῶν. ) Then reading on in the passage even further to section 16.5, you find that the earth is wiped out clean (burned to smithers, becoming a virgin, all sin being gone), but the people are still alive (not destroyed)

[16.5] καὶ τότε θεωρήσει αὐτὸ ὁ τῆς ἀδικίας ἐργάτης μετὰ τῶν ὑπηρετῶν αὐτοῦ καὶ βρύξει μεγάλα, καὶ πάντα τὰ ἀκάθαρτα πνεύματα εἰς φυγὴν τραπήσονται. καὶ τότε ἀοράτῳ δυνάμει κρατούμενοι, μὴ ἔχοντες πόθεν φυγεῖν, βρύξουσιν κατ' αὐτοῦ τοὺς ὀδόντας αὐτῶν λέγοντες αὐτῷ· ποῦ ἔστιν ἡ δύναμίς σου; πῶς ἡμᾶς ἐπλάνησας; καὶ ἐξεφύγομεν καὶ ἐξεπέσαμεν ἐκ τῆς δόξης ἧς εἴχομεν παρὰ τοῦ ἐρχομένου κρῖναι ἡμᾶς καὶ πᾶσαν φύσιν ἀνθρωπίνην. οὐαὶ ἡμῖν, ὅτι ἐν τῷ σκότει τῷ ἐξωτέρῳ ἐξορίζει ἡμᾶς.

I found the hardest part of the sentence to be
πρὸς τὸν ὑπηρετούμενον παρὰ τοῦ διαβόλου ἤτοι τὸν ἀντίχριστον,


to the one being served by the devil, namely the antichrist or is it active to the one serving alongside the devil, namely the antichrist? Anyways, that's my take.

taking ὑπηρετέω as passive 'the one being served'.

ἤτοι occurs infrequently. It means or and is often with ἠ...ἤτοι. Βut here ἤτοι = or = in other words τὸν ὑπηρετούμενον = τὸν ἀντίχριστον. Or am I wrong? cf. the quote below where it clearly has that meaning.

Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 427, section D, line 6


Πρὸ δὲ τῆς τῶν φωστήρων ποιή-
σεως ἡ κατὰ τὸν ὅρον τοῦ θεοῦ ἐπικράτεια φωτὸς ἐποίει τὴν
ἡμέραν καὶ ἡ ἐπικράτεια τοῦ σκότους τὸ σκότος ἤτοι τὴν νύκτα.
Γενομένων δὲ τῶν φωστήρων ἐτάχθησαν ἐξουσιάζειν, ὁ μὲν
τοῦ φωτὸς καὶ τῆς ἡμέρας, ἡ δὲ τοῦ σκότους καὶ τῆς νυκτός.
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