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2nd Person Plural Pronouns

Posted: October 12th, 2021, 10:18 pm
by LearningGreek
Hello,

In the paradigm for εἰμί Bill Mounce says that the second person plural means "you" but that it is a plural "you" equivalent to "thou or ya'll".

Is this the case for ὑμεις and ὑμας as well?

Re: 2nd Person Plural Pronouns

Posted: October 12th, 2021, 10:55 pm
by Stephen Carlson
Second person plural is "y'all" in southern parts of the US (or "ye" in King James English).

First person plural is "we"/"us".

Re: 2nd Person Plural Pronouns

Posted: October 13th, 2021, 6:19 am
by Barry Hofstetter
LearningGreek wrote: October 12th, 2021, 10:18 pm Hello,

In the paradigm for εἰμί Bill Mounce says that the second person plural means "you" but that it is a plural "you" equivalent to "thou or ya'll".

Is this the case for ὑμεις and ὑμας as well?
Just for the record, thou is second person singular subject, thee is the singular object form, thy/thine the possessive. The plural is ye, you, your/yours. Except for dialecticisms modern English has substituted you, your, yours for both the singular and the plural...

ὑμεῖς is nominative plural, ὑμᾶς accusative plural.

Re: 2nd Person Plural Pronouns

Posted: October 14th, 2021, 7:50 pm
by Shirley Rollinson
LearningGreek wrote: October 12th, 2021, 10:18 pm Hello,

In the paradigm for εἰμί Bill Mounce says that the second person plural means "you" but that it is a plural "you" equivalent to "thou or ya'll".

Is this the case for ὑμεις and ὑμας as well?
"thou" is second person nominative SINGULAR. ("thee" is accusative, "thy" is genitive)

Re: 2nd Person Plural Pronouns

Posted: October 14th, 2021, 8:59 pm
by Daniel Semler
Stephen Carlson wrote: October 12th, 2021, 10:55 pm Second person plural is "y'all" in southern parts of the US (or "ye" in King James English).

First person plural is "we"/"us".
Shirley Rollinson wrote: October 14th, 2021, 7:50 pm
LearningGreek wrote: October 12th, 2021, 10:18 pm Hello,

In the paradigm for εἰμί Bill Mounce says that the second person plural means "you" but that it is a plural "you" equivalent to "thou or ya'll".

Is this the case for ὑμεις and ὑμας as well?
"thou" is second person nominative SINGULAR. ("thee" is accusative, "thy" is genitive)
I should probably add what I now recall from school growing up in Australia, "yous".

Thx
D

Re: 2nd Person Plural Pronouns

Posted: October 15th, 2021, 10:27 am
by Barry Hofstetter
Daniel Semler wrote: October 14th, 2021, 8:59 pm I should probably add what I now recall from school growing up in Australia, "yous".

Thx
D
Perhaps getting of topic, in certain parts of Baltimore and suburbs (such as Dundalk) one can frequently here "yous guys..." English just begs for the return of its second personl plural, but nobody officially will give it back. :)

Re: 2nd Person Plural Pronouns

Posted: October 15th, 2021, 11:07 am
by Daniel Semler
Barry Hofstetter wrote: October 15th, 2021, 10:27 am
Daniel Semler wrote: October 14th, 2021, 8:59 pm I should probably add what I now recall from school growing up in Australia, "yous".

Thx
D
Perhaps getting of topic, in certain parts of Baltimore and suburbs (such as Dundalk) one can frequently here "yous guys..." English just begs for the return of its second personl plural, but nobody officially will give it back. :)
You have gotta love language's utter disregard for what any officials think - it will develop and change if it's alive.

And yep, now well OT.

Thx
D