RobertBeecham wrote:Could the word αιδιος in the following 2 verses mean unseen (derived from α-ειδω as with Hades) rather than eternal (derived from α-ει)? In both cases unseen seems to fit the context better.
αγγελους τε τους μη τηρησαντας την εαυτων αρχην αλλα απολιποντας το ιδιον οικητηριον εις κρισιν μεγαλης ημερας δεσμοις αιδιοις υπο ζοφον τετηρηκεν (Jude 6)
τα γαρ αορατα αυτου απο κτισεως κοσμου τοις ποιημασιν νοουμενα καθοραται η τε αιδιος αυτου δυναμις και θειοτης εις το ειναι αυτους αναπολογητους (Rom 1: 20)
RobertBeecham wrote:Thanks for your comments, Carl.
I had forgotten our previous discussion (of 8 years ago) on this subject! Maybe mild senile amnesia!
I bow to your superior knowledge on the derivation of ἀΐδιος
However you stated in your previous post "While I still don't think that there's any original etymological association between AIDIOS and AiDHS (in older Greek one regularly uses the proper name in the genitive AiDOU, "Hades' place" or "the house of Hades"), I think that the two came at some point to be associated;"
RobertBeecham wrote:In view of this I would however hold onto my point that in Jude 6 "chains of the unseen world" makes much better sense than "eternal chains" for angels awaiting judgment.
Also that in Rom 1: 20: τα γαρ αορατα αυτου απο κτισεως κοσμου τοις ποιημασιν νοουμενα καθοραται η τε αιδιος αυτου δυναμις και θειοτης it makes good sense if αιδιος is echoing αορατα and both have the meaning of unseen
Also I found a passage in Greek literature that I cannot now re-find, stating that one αιδιος year was equivalent to 7 normal years. Again, a year "in the unseen realm of the gods" would make far more sense than an "eternal" year.
Could it be that this link bewteen αιδιος and αδου, though not original, was established in the minds of Paul and Jude and others?
Interestingly Paul says: τα γαρ βλεπομενα προσκαιρα τα δε μη βλεπομενα αιωνια.
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