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John 3:5 (two questions)

Posted: September 8th, 2012, 12:49 am
by Mike Burke Deactivated
First, I'd like to now if the following statement (which I read on another forum) is grammatically correct?
The last part of the passage (John 3:5) literally reads: “except anyone is born of water and [kai] Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of the God.”[8] As seen, in allowable contexts the Greek conjunction kai (“and”) could be translated as an ascensive conjunction “even,” which could explain the previous clause: “born of water.” Thus, it could be translated: “except anyone is born of water even [kai] Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom. . . .”
Second, I'd like to know if John 3:5 is one of these "allowable contexts"?

Could "kai" be translated as an "ascensive conjunction" ("even") here?

Re: John 3:5 (two questions)

Posted: September 8th, 2012, 12:12 pm
by Jason Hare
Mike Burke wrote:First, I'd like to now if the following statement (which I read on another forum) is grammatically correct?
The last part of the passage (John 3:5) literally reads: “except anyone is born of water and [kai] Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of the God.”[8] As seen, in allowable contexts the Greek conjunction kai (“and”) could be translated as an ascensive conjunction “even,” which could explain the previous clause: “born of water.” Thus, it could be translated: “except anyone is born of water even [kai] Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom. . . .”
Second, I'd like to know if John 3:5 is one of these "allowable contexts"?

Could "kai" be translated as an "ascensive conjunction" ("even") here?
Is it not normally taken that "water" refers to baptism and "spirit" to unction?