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Question on famous quote

Posted: November 23rd, 2016, 1:59 pm
by Alan Patterson
The following phrase is supposed to be the famous Socrates statement: The unexamined life is not worth living.

ο δ ανεζεταστος βιος ου βιωτος ανθρωποι


However, I am not sure how ανθρωποι fits into this. Is this the correct Classical Greek for this famous phrase? If so, can you give me a "literal" translation of each word? Where does the word "worth" come from in this Greek phrase?

Re: Question on famous quote

Posted: November 23rd, 2016, 3:43 pm
by cwconrad
Alan Patterson wrote:The following phrase is supposed to be the famous Socrates statement: The unexamined life is not worth living.

ο δ ανεζεταστος βιος ου βιωτος ανθρωποι


However, I am not sure how ανθρωποι fits into this. Is this the correct Classical Greek for this famous phrase? If so, can you give me a "literal" translation of each word? Where does the word "worth" come from in this Greek phrase?
One factor that may help is that two types of verbal adjectives, those in -τός and in -τέος are generally considered passive in sense and construe, as do perfect passives, with a dative of the agent. The -τέος form is often used in the neuter singular with or without ἑστι in th sense, "to do x is obligatory for y': ζητέον ἡμῖν: "it is incumbent on us to seek" or more simply, "we must seek." The simpler verbal adjective in -τός expresses, ordinarily, that such an action can be performed -- by a person indicated by a dative. So:the celebrated dictum of Socrates means "The life that is not (subject to) examination is not livable for a human being." I'd even expand on those key adjectives ανεζεταστος and βιωτος to draw out what I think are the fuller implications of Socrates' challenge to Athenians he meets in the street -- or on the jury sentencing him to death: "The life that can't stand up to rigorous examination is not worth living for a human being."

Re: Question on famous quote

Posted: November 23rd, 2016, 5:31 pm
by Robert Emil Berge
This is the phrase: "ὁ δὲ ἀνεξέταστος βίος οὐ βιωτὸς ἀνθρώπῳ", which comes from Plato's Apology 38a. The literal meaning is "And an unexamined life is not worth living for man". So the "for man" was left out in your translation. Here are the meaning of each word: ὁ - the, δέ - and, but, ἀνεξέταστος - unexamined, without enquiry, βίος - life, οὐ - not, βιωτός - worth living, ἀνθρώπῷ - man, woman (singular, dative). There is no verb here, and that is normal where "is" is implied.

Re: Question on famous quote

Posted: November 24th, 2016, 5:28 am
by Jason Hare
Alan Patterson wrote:The following phrase is supposed to be the famous Socrates statement: The unexamined life is not worth living.

ο δ ανεζεταστος βιος ου βιωτος ανθρωποι


However, I am not sure how ανθρωποι fits into this. Is this the correct Classical Greek for this famous phrase? If so, can you give me a "literal" translation of each word? Where does the word "worth" come from in this Greek phrase?
Were you confused about the specific form ἀνθρώποι, since it should be ἀνθρώπῳ?