“τῆς ἑορτῆς” in John 13:1

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“τῆς ἑορτῆς” in John 13:1

Post by EverLearning » September 25th, 2017, 2:28 am

John 13:1 πρὸ δὲ τῆς ἑορτῆς τοῦ πάσχα εἰδὼς ὁ ἰησοῦς ὅτι ἦλθεν αὐτοῦ ἡ ὥρα ἵνα μεταβῇ ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου τούτου πρὸς τὸν πατέρα, ἀγαπήσας τοὺς ἰδίους τοὺς ἐν τῶ κόσμῳ, εἰς τέλος ἠγάπησεν αὐτούς.

I am just beginning learning Greek grammar. “τῆς ἑορτῆς” in this verse is in the genitive (possessive) case, correct? What is “the festival” possessing?

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Re: “τῆς ἑορτῆς” in John 13:1

Post by Jason Hare » September 25th, 2017, 4:43 am

EverLearning wrote:
September 25th, 2017, 2:28 am
John 13:1 πρὸ δὲ τῆς ἑορτῆς τοῦ πάσχα εἰδὼς ὁ ἰησοῦς ὅτι ἦλθεν αὐτοῦ ἡ ὥρα ἵνα μεταβῇ ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου τούτου πρὸς τὸν πατέρα, ἀγαπήσας τοὺς ἰδίους τοὺς ἐν τῶ κόσμῳ, εἰς τέλος ἠγάπησεν αὐτούς.

I am just beginning learning Greek grammar. “τῆς ἑορτῆς” in this verse is in the genitive (possessive) case, correct? What is “the festival” possessing?

Thank you!
Hello, "EverLearning."

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Re: “τῆς ἑορτῆς” in John 13:1

Post by Jason Hare » September 25th, 2017, 4:45 am

EverLearning wrote:
September 25th, 2017, 2:28 am
John 13:1 πρὸ δὲ τῆς ἑορτῆς τοῦ πάσχα εἰδὼς ὁ ἰησοῦς ὅτι ἦλθεν αὐτοῦ ἡ ὥρα ἵνα μεταβῇ ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου τούτου πρὸς τὸν πατέρα, ἀγαπήσας τοὺς ἰδίους τοὺς ἐν τῶ κόσμῳ, εἰς τέλος ἠγάπησεν αὐτούς.

I am just beginning learning Greek grammar. “τῆς ἑορτῆς” in this verse is in the genitive (possessive) case, correct? What is “the festival” possessing?

Thank you!
Saying that the genitive is "the case of possession" is oversimplifying it. The genitive has many uses. In this specific case, it is used as the object of the preposition πρό. Therefore, πρὸ τῆς ἑορτῆς means "before the festival." The preposition πρό takes its object in the genitive case.

What text are you learning from?

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Re: “τῆς ἑορτῆς” in John 13:1

Post by Stephen Hughes » September 25th, 2017, 10:42 am

Jason Hare wrote:
September 25th, 2017, 4:43 am
You may contact me or one of the other forum admins via PM to have give us your name, and we'll straighten it out for you.
Hi Jason,
As a newbie, they may not have PM privilages. Most probably, he can receive, but not send.
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Re: “τῆς ἑορτῆς” in John 13:1

Post by Jason Hare » September 25th, 2017, 12:59 pm

Stephen Hughes wrote:
September 25th, 2017, 10:42 am
Hi Jason,
As a newbie, they may not have PM privilages. Most probably, he can receive, but not send.
You're right. I'll contact him off-board.

Jason
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