In Romans 11:15 who is doing the refusing/accepting?

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Bill Ross
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In Romans 11:15 who is doing the refusing/accepting?

Post by Bill Ross » March 9th, 2019, 10:13 am

I've always read this as God refusing/accepting the Jews but it suddenly occurred to me that it might refer to the Jews refusing/accepting the gospel:
Romans 11:15 εἰ γὰρ ἡ ἀποβολὴ αὐτῶν καταλλαγὴ κόσμου τίς ἡ πρόσλημψις εἰ μὴ ζωὴ ἐκ νεκρῶν
Which is the correct reading/understanding?

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Re: In Romans 11:15 who is doing the refusing/accepting?

Post by timothy_p_mcmahon » March 9th, 2019, 4:39 pm

I think your sudden realization is correct, but I don't think it's a Greek issue.
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Re: In Romans 11:15 who is doing the refusing/accepting?

Post by Bill Ross » March 9th, 2019, 4:45 pm

timothy_p_mcmahon wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 4:39 pm
I think your sudden realization is correct, but I don't think it's a Greek issue.
Thank you. My concern is mostly the "αὐτῶν", whether the combination with a noun results in "their refusing" or "their being refused". Which is the normal koine usage?
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Re: In Romans 11:15 who is doing the refusing/accepting?

Post by MAubrey » March 9th, 2019, 5:35 pm

Bill Ross wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 4:45 pm
timothy_p_mcmahon wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 4:39 pm
I think your sudden realization is correct, but I don't think it's a Greek issue.
Thank you. My concern is mostly the "αὐτῶν", whether the combination with a noun results in "their refusing" or "their being refused". Which is the normal koine usage?
I'm afraid that, here, there is no normal usage, just a grammatical ambiguity.
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