Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

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Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Post by Thomas Dolhanty » May 22nd, 2015, 4:47 pm

Stephen Hughes wrote:
Thomas Dolhanty wrote:Close your eyes! Hold your nose! And jump! :D
τῆς ῥινὸς ἐπειλημμένης, μύσας κολύμβησον. Would be okay, but ...
τῆς ῥινὸς ἐπειλημμένης :o καὶ τοῦ πρώκτου ἐσφιγμένου :shock: , μύσας καταπήδησον. might be better. ;)
ὁ ἄθρωπὸς ὁ εἰπὼν ἄλλῳ πηδᾶν, νῦν λέγει πρὸς σεαυτόν ότι ποῦ ἐστιν ἡ κολυμβήθρα ἡ παιδική;
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Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Post by Wes Wood » May 22nd, 2015, 5:31 pm

I have started another thread that might be of interest here: viewtopic.php?f=47&t=3102&sid=19d98d44c ... d64b72d258
Ἀσπάζομαι μὲν καὶ φιλῶ, πείσομαι δὲ μᾶλλον τῷ θεῷ ἢ ὑμῖν.-Ἀπολογία Σωκράτους 29δ

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Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Post by Stephen Hughes » May 23rd, 2015, 4:36 am

Stephen Hughes wrote:Τὴν μὲν ἑλληνιστικὴν ἐποχὴν τὸ <<κολυμβᾶν>> ἐνοεῖ τὴν αὐτοματικὴν κίνησιν τινὸς ἀνθρώπου ἢ ζώου ἐν ὕδατι χερσίν τε καὶ ποσίν, ἀλλὰ τὴν ἀχαιότητα τὸ αὐτὸ ἀνήνεγκατο εἰς τὴν ἐπὶ κεφαλὴν (headfirst) εἰσόδον εἰς ὕδατα, καὶ τὸ <<νήχειν>> εἰς τὴν ἐν ὕδατι κίνησιν.
I have gotten some PM feedback for this.

Apologies for the spelling mistake in ἐνοεῖ. It shoud of course be ἐννοεῖ "it means" - I had written that from the sound, not thinking carefully enough abou the spelling. The meaning intended by the first first κίνησιν may have better been expressed by μετακίνησιν, but I think that κίνησιν could be retained in the second with the nuance of the first. τὴν ἀχαιότητα is wrongly spelt (τὴν ἀρχαιότητα - a mistake North Americans wouldn't make! Apologies again, I was composing without looking at the reference works) accusative for an extent of time, the meaning is the last one in LSJ for ἀρχαιότης. τὸ αὐτὸ is the same (verb), i.e. τὸ <<κολυμβᾶν>>. ἀνήνεγκατο is an third person singular aorist mediopassive from ἀναφέρειν εἰς (+acc.) "to refer to".

I hope that this apology will make it easier for people to make corrections to my composition.
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)

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Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Post by Paul-Nitz » May 24th, 2015, 11:21 am

Stephen Hughes wrote:Τὴν μὲν ἑλληνιστικὴν ἐποχὴν τὸ <<κολυμβᾶν>> ἐνοεῖ τὴν αὐτοματικὴν κίνησιν τινὸς ἀνθρώπου ἢ ζώου ἐν ὕδατι χερσίν τε καὶ ποσίν, ἀλλὰ τὴν ἀχαιότητα τὸ αὐτὸ ἀνήνεγκατο εἰς τὴν ἐπὶ κεφαλὴν (headfirst) εἰσόδον εἰς ὕδατα, καὶ τὸ <<νήχειν>> εἰς τὴν ἐν ὕδατι κίνησιν.
ἄρα ὀρθῶς ἔγράψαμεν βουλόμενοι γράψαι ἐν τῇ Κοινῇ γλώσοῃ.

ἐν ἀρχαιότητᾳ γλώσοῃ δυνάμεθα οὕτως γράφειν;

κολυμβᾶς ἀπό πλοίου ἔνηξεν ὁ ναύτης εἰς τὸν αἰγιαλόν.



PS - I hadn't noticed the mistakes.
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Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Post by Thomas Dolhanty » May 24th, 2015, 3:30 pm

Paul-Nitz wrote:
Stephen Hughes wrote:Τὴν μὲν ἑλληνιστικὴν ἐποχὴν τὸ <<κολυμβᾶν>> ἐνοεῖ τὴν αὐτοματικὴν κίνησιν τινὸς ἀνθρώπου ἢ ζώου ἐν ὕδατι χερσίν τε καὶ ποσίν, ἀλλὰ τὴν ἀχαιότητα τὸ αὐτὸ ἀνήνεγκατο εἰς τὴν ἐπὶ κεφαλὴν (headfirst) εἰσόδον εἰς ὕδατα, καὶ τὸ <<νήχειν>> εἰς τὴν ἐν ὕδατι κίνησιν.
ἄρα ὀρθῶς ἔγράψαμεν βουλόμενοι γράψαι ἐν τῇ Κοινῇ γλώσοῃ.

ἐν ἀρχαιότητᾳ γλώσοῃ δυνάμεθα οὕτως γράφειν;

κολυμβᾶς ἀπό πλοίου ἔνηξεν ὁ ναύτης εἰς τὸν αἰγιαλόν.



PS - I hadn't noticed the mistakes.
ναὶ, καλος· ἀμὴν· και γὰρ ἡ μερὶς ἡ ἀγαθή ἐστιν ὁ ἀναβαίνων καὶ πάλιν εἰς τὸ ὕδωρ καταπηδᾶν· τίς δύναται μαθεῖν εἰ μὴ ἐν τῷ ποιοῦντι;
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Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Post by Stephen Hughes » May 25th, 2015, 12:47 am

Thomas Dolhanty wrote:τίς δύναται μαθεῖν εἰ μὴ ἐν τῷ ποιοῦντι;
Ἴσως καὶ ἐν τῷ Διορθωθῆναι
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)

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Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Post by RandallButh » May 25th, 2015, 5:52 am

Ναί, ἄνθρωπος μάνθανει ἐν τῷ ποιεῖν καὶ πράσσειν καὶ ταῦτα δρῶν ἐν τῷ σκοπτεῖν καὶ διορθoῦσθαι.

(συγγνώμην μοι ἔχετε μὴ δυναμένῳ συγκοινωνεῖν)

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Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Post by Stephen Hughes » May 25th, 2015, 10:37 am

Randall Buth wrote:διορθoῦσθαι
Live and learn. :oops:
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