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Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Posted: May 20th, 2015, 12:25 pm
by Stephen Hughes
Thomas Dolhanty wrote:Close your eyes! Hold your nose! And jump! :D
τῆς ῥινὸς ἐπειλημμένης, μύσας κολύμβησον. Would be okay, but ...
τῆς ῥινὸς ἐπειλημμένης :o καὶ τοῦ πρώκτου ἐσφιγμένου :shock: , μύσας καταπήδησον. might be better. ;)

Re: Word Order in Koine: Freedoms, Constraints, & Best Pract

Posted: May 20th, 2015, 2:23 pm
by RandallButh
τῆς ῥινὸς ἐπειλημμένος μύσας καταπήδησον είς τὰ ὕδατα.

Re: Word Order in Koine: Freedoms, Constraints, & Best Pract

Posted: May 20th, 2015, 8:19 pm
by Stephen Hughes
Stephen Hughes wrote:
Thomas Dolhanty wrote:Close your eyes! Hold your nose! And jump! :D
τῆς ῥινὸς ἐπειλημμένης, μύσας κολύμβησον.
RandallButh wrote:τῆς ῥινὸς ἐπειλημμένος μύσας καταπήδησον είς τὰ ὕδατα.
τὴν ῥῖνα ἐπειλημμένος μύσας καταπήδησον εἰς τὰ ὕδατα

Re: Word Order in Koine: Freedoms, Constraints, & Best Pract

Posted: May 21st, 2015, 1:04 am
by RandallButh
τὴν ῥῖνα ἐπειλημμένος μύσας καταπήδησον εἰς τὰ ὕδατα
φίλε, εἰ θέλεις ἐπιλαβέσθαι «τι» ὡς τὸ παῖδιον (κ. Λουκᾶν 9.29) καὶ Παῦλον (Πράξεις 16.19, τὸ ἐναντίον τοῦ 17.19, 21.30, 33, 23.19), δύνασαι,
ἐγὼ δὲ μεμνημένος τῆς γυναικὸς ἐπειλημμένης τῶν διδύμων (Δευτ 25.11) προτιμῶ είπεῖν τῆς ῥινὸς ἐπιλαβέσθαι.

Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Posted: May 21st, 2015, 9:17 am
by Paul-Nitz
wrote:τῆς ῥινὸς ἐπειλημμένος μύσας καταπήδησον είς τὰ ὕδατα.
αὕτη παραγγελία τῆς σπουδῆς ἐστιν. ἄρα προτιμῷ δύο ρήματα (verbs) εἶναι προστατικαί ἐγκλήσεις·

μύσας τῆς ῥινὸς ἐπιλαβοῦ, καταπήδησον δὴ είς τὰ ὕδατα.

ὁμοιῶ τοῦτο τὸ ρήματα (sentence) λὸγῳ τοῦ Παῦλου, προς θεσσαλονίκεις Α, 5:16-18 (τὸ Χαίρετε, προσεύχεσθε, εὐχαριστεῖτε).

Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Posted: May 21st, 2015, 12:00 pm
by Stephen Hughes
RandallButh wrote:
τὴν ῥῖνα ἐπειλημμένος μύσας καταπήδησον εἰς τὰ ὕδατα
φίλε, εἰ θέλεις ἐπιλαβέσθαι «τι» ὡς τὸ παῖδιον (κ. Λουκᾶν 9.29) καὶ Παῦλον (Πράξεις 16.19, τὸ ἐναντίον τοῦ 17.19, 21.30, 33, 23.19), δύνασαι,
ἐγὼ δὲ μεμνημένος τῆς γυναικὸς ἐπειλημμένης τῶν διδύμων (Δευτ 25.11) προτιμῶ είπεῖν τῆς ῥινὸς ἐπιλαβέσθαι.
κράτιστε, τό λεξιλόγιον ἔχει τὴν αἰτιατικὴν δηλ.
LSJ ἐπιλαμβάνειν wrote:ΙΙ.3.. seize, stop, esp. by pressure, “τὴν ῥῖνα” Ar.Pl.703; “ἐ. τὸ κλύσμα τῆς ὀπίσω ὁδοῦ” Hdt.2.87; ἐ. τὸ ὕδωρ stop the water-clock in court, Lys.23.4, Is.3.76; “τὸν αὐλίσκον” Arist.Ath.67.3, cf. Pr.866b13, Plb.10.44.12; “τὸ στόμα τοῖς ἐπικαλύμμασιν” Arist.HA527b21.
Νομίζω τὴν αἰτιατικὴν διορίζειν τὸ ὅλοντὸν ἄνθρωπον καὶ τὴν γενικὴν μόνον τὸ αἰδοῖον, τὸ μέρος ὃ κρατίσῃ ἡ γύνη τοῦ ἄλλου.

Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Posted: May 21st, 2015, 9:34 pm
by Wes Wood
ὀταν κολυμβατε, εἰς τα βαθη κολυμβατε! (ἐαν ἁμαρτω βοηθήσατε μοι, εἰ τουτο σοι ἀρεσκει.) :oops:

Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Posted: May 22nd, 2015, 6:35 am
by cwconrad
Wes Wood wrote:ὀταν κολυμβατε, εἰς τα βαθη κολυμβατε! (ἐαν ἁμαρτω βοηθήσατε μοι, εἰ τουτο σοι ἀρεσκει.) :oops:
ναί, φίλε· κρεῖττον ἂν ἦν ταυτῆς τῆς πείρας μὴ ἐπιλαβέσθαι, ὡς ἐμοίγε δοκεῖ.

Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Posted: May 22nd, 2015, 10:18 am
by cwconrad
cwconrad wrote:
Wes Wood wrote:ὀταν κολυμβατε, εἰς τα βαθη κολυμβατε! (ἐαν ἁμαρτω βοηθήσατε μοι, εἰ τουτο σοι ἀρεσκει.) :oops:
ναί, φίλε· κρεῖττον ἂν ἦν ταυτῆς τῆς πείρας μὴ ἐπιλαβέσθαι, ὡς ἐμοίγε δοκεῖ.
Lest I be misunderstood, let me say that I understand Wes as meaning "Dive deep if you dive at all." My intent was to say that maybe it would be better not to dive into these waters; we expose too readily what we don't know (I say that from my own experience).

Re: Greek Writing Practice: Hold your nose and jump!

Posted: May 22nd, 2015, 11:57 am
by Stephen Hughes
Τὴν μὲν ἑλληνιστικὴν ἐποχὴν τὸ <<κολυμβᾶν>> ἐνοεῖ τὴν αὐτοματικὴν κίνησιν τινὸς ἀνθρώπου ἢ ζώου ἐν ὕδατι χερσίν τε καὶ ποσίν, ἀλλὰ τὴν ἀχαιότητα τὸ αὐτὸ ἀνήνεγκατο εἰς τὴν ἐπὶ κεφαλὴν (headfirst) εἰσόδον εἰς ὕδατα, καὶ τὸ <<νήχειν>> εἰς τὴν ἐν ὕδατι κίνησιν.