A R Wentt Jr wrote:As I struggle with word order and such in working through translation, my mind turns to the question of sentence diagramming. When in the self-study of Greek would one recommend that one pursue the discipline of diagramming? And what text, texts or media are most instructive in this pursuit?
A R Wentt Jr wrote:As I struggle with word order and such in working through translation, my mind turns to the question of sentence diagramming. When in the self-study of Greek would one recommend that one pursue the discipline of diagramming?
Stirling Bartholomew wrote:A R Wentt Jr wrote:As I struggle with word order and such in working through translation, my mind turns to the question of sentence diagramming. When in the self-study of Greek would one recommend that one pursue the discipline of diagramming?
I have frequently noted that the people who are the most vocal in panning syntax analysis, diagramming being a subset thereof, are often aged veterans with decades of linguistic analysis behind them, who can effortlessly swap in and out a dozen radically different analytical models ... but these people will try to convince you that analysis really isn't all that worthwhile even though they have spent the majority of their career doing some sort of analytical work with ancient language texts. I gave up anything like diagramming many moons ago, but the first time through the book of Hebrews I did employ some sort of notation to help represent the levels of hypotaxis. A friend of mine of Russian heritage who spoke fluently half a dozen dialects of Spanish refused to preach on Hebrews in Spanish or English until he had the whole epistle diagrammed in greek. I admired that sort of fortitude but I personally don't have it. I am right now wrapping up a close reading of Agamemnon which has taken nine months and I have not diagrammed one line of the text. I suspect the time to start diagramming is when you find yourself in a text the complexity of which you find overwhelming and incomprehensible. I don't think there is any magic moment to start or stop diagramming. You will give it up naturally when it is no longer necessary.
 the style here is intentionally modeled after bearded bill of asheville site:www.ibiblio.org "bearded bill"
A R Wentt Jr wrote:Esteemed gentlemen,
Weighing the responses thus far received, I take it that none of you particularly cares for the exercise of diagramming. And would thus avoid making it a steady diet in ones pursuit of meaning in a text, even an easy one.
How then is the beginner to tackle or assimilate the meaning of a Greek text? What is important for the orderly arranging of the elements of a sentence in Greek? I use Logos 5 (L5), but I have not as yet utilized the diagramming feature in my study of the Greek. Feeling like a passenger on a ship without a captain; I am at the mercy of the current. Please Help!
As I've mentioned in my other thread, I am using Croy's Primer of Biblical Greek as my base text. My desire is to one day soon have a Lucan command of the Greek . I'm not turned away by effort or challenge, just as long as the promise is results. Thanks for any continuing guidance any of you can offer.
cwconrad wrote:I would recommend a careful reading of the Introduction of Funk's BIGHG, "How we understand sentences," (http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/project/f ... tro-1.html) and "Learning a Language is learning the Sructure-signals" (http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/project/f ... tro-2.html).
SusanJeffers wrote:I suggest "phrasing" or what some call "contouring" -- especially for beginners, just being able to recognize which words "go together" has to be a first step in understanding sentences...
I just googled
Greek phrasing examples
and got this good introduction:
http://www.ibiblio.org/koine/greek/phra ... -text.html
There's also a book that carries the method farther than I prefer, but still it's a great introduction and gives examples both of Hebrew and of Greek:
Seeing the Text: Exegesis for Students of Greek and Hebrew
by Mary Schertz and Perry Yoder
Shirley Rollinson wrote:If you want to have Greek like Luke's - read Luke/Acts every day
Read a short passage aloud - let the sounds sink into your brain (and don't get hung up on pronunciation - give it your best shot, and keep on reading). Read it again aloud - slowly. Try to translate it - puzzle out what it means and how the words fit into the sentences. (Grosvernor and Zerwick is a help here)
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