Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script

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Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script

Post by Keith » August 16th, 2018, 1:02 am

Hi all,

I was wondering if someone could help me decipher an unfamiliar font from an A.D. 1611 Photius manuscript. The sentence captioned below is from Photius' Library. It's the section reporting Aenesidemus' views on the differences between Pyrrhonian and Academic scepticism.

The words that I understand from the highlighted section are και and πολλων δογματιζουσιν. The rest is difficult for me to read. Any help is greatly appreciated!
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Cheers.
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script

Post by Ken M. Penner » August 16th, 2018, 7:38 am

φράζομεν. οἱ δ’ ἀπὸ τῆς ἀκαδημίας, φησί, μάλιστα τῆς νῦν, καὶ στωϊκαῖς
συμφέρονται ἐνίοτε δόξαις, καὶ εἰ χρὴ τἀληθὲς εἰπεῖν, στωϊκοὶ φαίνονται
μαχόμενοι στωϊκοῖς. δεύτερον, καὶ περὶ πολλῶν δογματίζουσιν. ἀρετήν
τε γὰρ καὶ ἀφροσύνην εἰσάγουσι, καὶ ἀγαθὸν καὶ κακὸν ὑποτίθενται, καὶ ἀ-
λήθειαν καὶ ψεῦδος, καὶ δὴ καὶ πιθανὸν καὶ ἀπίθανον καὶ ὂν καὶ μὴ ὄν, ἄλλα τε
πολλὰ βεβαίως ὁρίζουσι. διαμφισβητεῖν δέ φασι περὶ μόνης τῆς καταλη-
See http://bibletranslation.ws/down/ligatures.pdf
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script

Post by Jonathan Robie » August 16th, 2018, 7:47 am

Cool!

I would like to get better at reading various historical Greek scripts. Are there resources that provide transcriptions along with images for various periods?
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ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script

Post by Ken M. Penner » August 16th, 2018, 7:50 am

Jonathan Robie wrote:
August 16th, 2018, 7:47 am
Are there resources that provide transcriptions along with images for various periods?
The link I added to my original reply has over a dozen such examples, ranging from the eighth to fifteenth century, but the resolution is not always good. For reference, it is http://bibletranslation.ws/down/ligatures.pdf
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script

Post by Jonathan Robie » August 16th, 2018, 8:33 am

Ken M. Penner wrote:
August 16th, 2018, 7:50 am
Jonathan Robie wrote:
August 16th, 2018, 7:47 am
Are there resources that provide transcriptions along with images for various periods?
The link I added to my original reply has over a dozen such examples, ranging from the eighth to fifteenth century, but the resolution is not always good. For reference, it is http://bibletranslation.ws/down/ligatures.pdf
Cool - If anyone knows more resources along these lines, perhaps with better images, I'd love to see them. Every once in a while I try to read a medieval manuscript and I just can't.

This index is somewhat helpful (but transcriptions are really useful for practice, and it doesn't have them):

An Index of Greek Ligatures and Contractions
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ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script

Post by Ken M. Penner » August 16th, 2018, 8:55 am

Jonathan Robie wrote:
August 16th, 2018, 8:33 am
If anyone knows more resources along these lines, perhaps with better images, I'd love to see them. Every once in a while I try to read a medieval manuscript and I just can't.
A classic is at An introduction to Greek and Latin palaeography from which many examples in the above-mentioned PDF are taken.
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script

Post by Ken M. Penner » August 16th, 2018, 9:10 am

While we're talking about paleography: If you want to develop and practice your deciphering skills, why not contribute to a New Testament project that still has its call for volunteer contributors up at http://cal-itsee.bham.ac.uk/itseeweb/ig ... ibute.html
It even has tutorials.
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script

Post by Keith » August 16th, 2018, 12:20 pm

Thanks so much, Ken! Your PDF will also help a lot.
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script

Post by Barry Hofstetter » August 16th, 2018, 1:27 pm

Fun stuff! Let me add, the more familiar with the language, the easier it becomes to read odd but beautiful scripts.
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Re: Photius' Library, 17th cent. Type Script

Post by Stephen Carlson » August 16th, 2018, 6:34 pm

After spending a lot of the past year on looking at medieval manuscripts, the light bulb moment for me was think more about the inputs--how the pen moves across the parchment--instead of the output, as in the final shape of the letters.
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