Declension of foreign names --- Judith 2:24

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Declension of foreign names --- Judith 2:24

Post by JoHerrera » November 22nd, 2019, 2:01 pm

Judith 2:24 mentions a brook called Abrona: "ἐπὶ τοῦ χειμάρρου Αβρωνα". As I understand it Abrona is here in the genitive, but not inflected (asa foreign name). Most translators and commentators nevertheless calls the brook Abron, and sometimes one sees Abronas. Neither of these, as far as I could see, is a possible nominative form of Abrona, and neither exists as a variant in LXX. What is behind this mystery?
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Re: Declension of foreign names --- Judith 2:24

Post by Barry Hofstetter » November 23rd, 2019, 9:30 am

I was hoping one of our LXX mavens would pick this up, but "oh well." As it is, the name seems unattested elsewhere, and what you are seeing is people's best guess as to how to represent it in English.
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Re: Declension of foreign names --- Judith 2:24

Post by Jonathan Robie » November 23rd, 2019, 10:01 am

The Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible confirms what Barry said, adding that other manuscripts use different names.
Abron ay′bruhn (Αβρωνα; some MSS Χεβρων or Χευρων). A river of uncertain location mentioned in Jdt. 2:24 (KJV, “Arbonai”). Some identify it with the HABOR, a tributary of the EUPHRATES (2 Ki. 17:6; 18:11; cf. 1 Chr. 5:26); others point to the town of ABDON (Josh. 21:30; 1 Chr. 6:74). The Greek may be a misunderstanding of the Hebrew phrase ʿēber hannāhār, “beyond the river,” read as a proper name.
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Silva, M., & Tenney, M. C. (2009). In The Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible, A-C (Revised, Full-Color Edition, Vol. 1, p. 31). Grand Rapids, MI: The Zondervan Corporation.
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Re: Declension of foreign names --- Judith 2:24

Post by Ken M. Penner » November 23rd, 2019, 11:37 am

JoHerrera wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 2:01 pm
Judith 2:24 mentions a brook called Abrona: "ἐπὶ τοῦ χειμάρρου Αβρωνα". As I understand it Abrona is here in the genitive, but not inflected (asa foreign name). Most translators and commentators nevertheless calls the brook Abron, and sometimes one sees Abronas. Neither of these, as far as I could see, is a possible nominative form of Abrona, and neither exists as a variant in LXX. What is behind this mystery?
Two possibilities:
1. It's an indeclinable Aramaic word, and the final A sound reflects the Aramaic emphatic state, like μαμωνᾶ. "The Abron" would sound like Abrona.
2. Abrona is the genitive form of the Greek first declension masculine Abronas, like Satana is the genitive of Satanas (also Στεφανᾶ Ἅννα Μεννὰ). Just as Greek Satanas represents Hebrew Satan, so Greek Abronas could represent Hebrew Abron. What's the proper English for Στεφανᾶ? Stephan or Stephanas?
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Re: Declension of foreign names --- Judith 2:24

Post by Stirling Bartholomew » November 23rd, 2019, 5:32 pm

The Judith 2:24 Αβρωνα is w/o breathing marks. For what its worth ... probably nothing.
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ἔσχε δὲ τρεῖς παῖδας ἐκ Καλλιστοῦς τῆς Ἅβρωνος μὲν θυγατρός, Καλλίου δὲ τοῦ Ἅβρωνος Βατῆθεν ἀδελφῆς, τοῦ ταμιεύσαντος στρατιωτικῶν ἐπὶ Χαιρώνδου ἄρχοντος· περὶ δὲ τῆς κηδείας ταύτης λέγει ὁ Δείναρχος ἐν τῷ κατὰ Πιστίου. κατέλιπε δὲ παῖδας Ἅβρωνα Λυκοῦργον Λυκόφρονα· ὧν ὁ Ἅβρων καὶ ὁ Λυκοῦργος ἄπαιδες μετήλλαξαν· ἀλλ' ὅ γ' Ἅβρων καὶ πολιτευσάμενος ἐπιφανῶς μετήλλαξε, Λυκόφρων δὲ γήμας Καλλιστομάχην Φιλίππου Αἰξωνέως ἐγέννησε Καλλιστώ.
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