## Word order, ετι / ετι in Romans 5:6

Stephen Carlson
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### Re: Word order, ετι / ετι in Romans 5:6

Steve, that's a very good and succinct description of the two options and how they would work. I agree with both descriptions of their functions.
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Jonathan Robie
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### Re: Word order, ετι / ετι in Romans 5:6

serunge wrote:Anyhow, Stephen and I reach similar conclusions using complementary approaches, phrasing versus whatever it is I do. I think I do a similar analysis in my head, but less intentionally marked out than Stephen. Using the phrasing strategy shows your work, facilitating correction. It looks like a great strategy.
I agree - I'm finding this thread very exciting. And very much appreciating your contributions to it as well.

Now if Stephen can teach the rest of us to do this ...
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Iver Larsen
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### Re: Word order, ετι / ετι in Romans 5:6

First let me quote the N/A text again:
ἔτι γὰρ Χριστὸς ὄντων ἡμῶν ἀσθενῶν ἔτι κατὰ καιρὸν ὑπὲρ ἀσεβῶν ἀπέθανεν.

It will be helpful to look more into the different senses of ἔτι. Louw&Nida has three senses:
a still: 67.128
c nevertheless: 89.135

For each of these they give a bit more explanation:

67.128 ἀκμήν; ἔτι; τὸ λοιπόν: extension of time up to and beyond an expected point—‘still, yet.’ἀκμήν: ἀκμὴν καὶ ὑμεῖς ἀσύνετοί ἐστε; ‘are you still without understanding?’ Mt 15:16.
ἔτι: ἔτι αὐτοῦ λαλοῦντος ἰδοὺ Ἰούδας εἷς τῶν δώδεκα ἦλθεν ‘he was still speaking when Judas, one of the twelve, arrived’ Mt 26:47.

However, it is not always helpful to lump three different words together as if there was no difference in meaning, so I'd like to supplement with BDAG:

① pert. to continuance, yet, still (contrast ἤδη ‘already’–ἔτι ‘still’.)
ⓐ in positive statements, to denote that a given situation is continuing still, yet.

The word order indicates the prominence of the adverb as compared to the other elements in the sentence. When there is an element of unexpectedness or contrast, the word comes at the front. In order words, the more to the left the word is placed, the more relative prominence it has.

BDAG:
② ...