Assignment 2: PG 93 col. 1571-2

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Assignment 2: PG 93 col. 1571-2

Post by BruceRobertson » May 21st, 2014, 7:49 am

We've run the 9 volumes of PG that are in colour in the IA. We need training generally, but especially on reasonably dark pages (the very pale ones are not worth training to, since other sources do not share this fault) and italics, both Latin script and Greek. Once again, please do not alter the line breaks, no matter how silly they seem. We have a a way of dealing with these which is not in effect here.

Here's the image for reference
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But you'll find it easier to work off of the IA page:
https://archive.org/stream/patrologiaec ... 1/mode/1up

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tibus in morem infantiss, qui universa subjecta A ὡς νήπιον, ὁ ἔχων ὑποτεταγμένα τὰ σύμπαντα· βα-
habet : a Joanne baptixatur, qui donat remissio- πτίζεται δὲ ὑπὸ ωάννου. ὁ δωρούμενος τῶν ἀμαρ-
nem peccatorum : tentatur mei causa, qui major τημάτων τὴν ἄφεσιν· πειράζεται δὲ ὁ ἀπείραστο,
est quam ut tentari possit, ut enm vincat. quo διʼ ἐμὲ, να νικήσῃ τὸν ἐμὲ πειράσαντα, καὶ τοῦ
tentatore e paradiso expulsus fui: atque ut verbo παραδείσου διώξαντα· καὶ, ἀπλῶς εἰπεῖν, μετὰ πᾶσαν
dicam, post omnia patrata miracula, qui immunis θαυματουργίαν, πάθη ὁ ἀπαθὴς καταδέχεται· καὶ
-est a passione, passiones suscipit : qui est immor- θάνατον καὶ ταφὴν ὑπομένει σαρκὶ ὁ ἀθάνατος, ἴνα
talis mori carne sustinet, ac sepeliri, nt me mor- ἐμὲ τὸν θανατωθέντα ἀπαθανατίσῃ διὰ τὴς ἐαυτοῦ
tunm, sua resurrectione immortalem præstet : quid ἀναστάσεως, Τί οὖν ξένον, εἰ μετʼ ἐκείνων ἀπάντων
.πirum, ut illorum omnium accessione, purus ille καὶ τὸν κατὰ νόμον καθαρισμὸν ὁ καθαρὸς καὶ ἄχραν-
ac incontaminatus, una cum incontaminata ac innn- τος, μετὰ τῆς ἁχράντου καὶ ἀπειρογάμου Παρθένου
pta Virgine ac matre, lege perscriptam obeat puri- καὶ Mvητρὸς καταδέχεται· ἵνα γενόμενος ὑπὸ νόμον,
ficationem ; quo factus sub lege, ut ait Apostolus, ὡς ὁ Ἀπόστολος ἔφησε, τοὺς ὑπὸ νόμον ἐλευθερώσῃ;
eos liberet, qui sub lege erant ⁵
Verum nesciens quodammodo, charissimi, im- Ἀλλʼ ἐλαθον, ἀγαπητοὶ, τῷ ἀπλέτῳ πελάγειτῆς τοῦ
menso me incarnationis Satvtoris mari permiuj, ⁵ ῇρτήρος οἰκονομίας ἐαυτὸν ἐπιδοὺς, τῇ φορᾶ τοῦ λό-
trabente sermonis impetu. Οuippe faciius quis, γου ἐλκόμενος. Εὐχερέστερον γάρ ἐστι, τὸ κῦτος τῆς
marislυatitudinem volæ manus modulo complectatur, θαλάσσης παλάμῃ χειρὸς ἀνθρωπίνης περιλαβεῖν, ἢ
quam ut multos divinæ ad nos inclinationis modos τὰς πολυτρόπους τῆς θείας οἰκονομίας συγκαταβά-
ex incarnatione, prolatitiosermone edicat. Enimvero σεις, λόγῳ προφορικῷ ἐξειπεῖν. Ἀλλʼ ἐπὶ τὸν πυρσὸν
ad evangelicæ celbsitudinis sublutum iggnem recur- τοῦ εὐαγγελικοῦ ὕψους ἐπαναδράμωμεν, καὶ πρὸς
ramus, inque eum, Spiritus sancti gubernatione, αὐτὸν εὴν ὁλκάδα τῶν λόγων, τῇ πηδαλιουχίᾳ τοῦ
sermonum onerariam dirigamns.
Πνεύματος, ἀπευθύνωμεν.
Postquamn auten, inquit, impleti sunt dies parga- Οrε, φησὶν, ἐπλήσδησαν αἰ ἡμέραι τοῦ καθα-
tionis eorum secundum leqem MΤogsi, tμίerunt puεrum ριάμοῦ αὐτῶν κατὰ τὸν νόμον Mωῦσέως dνήγα-
in ,derusalemt, nt sisterent eum θοmino. dene expo- γτν τὸ παδίον εἰς fhεροσάλεμα, παραστῆσαι
suit evangelista. Οmnia enim nobis lege præscripta τῷ Κυρὐῳ. Καλῶς ὁ εὐαγγελιστὴς ἐσαφήνισεν. 2ς
prudenti quodam consilio, nostri causa suscipit. fn ἐξ οἰκονομίας γὰρ πάντα τὰ ἡμῖν ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ νομοθε-
enim, qui cælos et terram inρiet ⁷, minusterim sus- εηθέντα ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν καταδέχεται. δοὺ γὰρ Ο πλη-
cipit, quo e oco in ooum eratur. Cuinam veroῳ- ρῶνκ οὐρaνούς τε καὶ γῆν. ὑπηρετεῖται τὴν ἀπὸ
etiam Domino, puerum festinas sistere, o sanctis- τόπων εἰς τόπους μετάβασιν. dοίῳ δὲ καὶ Κυρίῳ
sima Virgoλ Audisti palam ex Cabriehe, hei Filium
æsse, qui in tuo tero conciperetur. Siquidem ergo
1ni Τilius est, qui non citra omnem dubitationem
etiaa Dominus est ? Scio, inquit beata Virgo, Dsi
Eilium pariter esse atque Dominum, qui idem simul
meus fietor est ac ilius, quem ut puerum, ob ejus
clementiam ac benignitatem, ulnis amplector : ve-
rum illi sistere festino, de quo avus meus David,
divinἱ Spiritusafftatu, modulo cecinit, dicens : θiit
ominus θomino meo, ὅede a deætris meis, donec
ponam inimicos tuos scabellum pedum tuorum ³. Ln
παραστήσαι τὸ βρέφος ἐπείγῃ, ὦ παναγίθα Παρθένε;
11κουσας σαφῶς ὑπὸ τοῦ Ταβριὴλ, ὡς βίὸς Θεοῦ
ἐστιν ὁ ἐν τῇ γαστρί σου κυοφορούμενος. Εἰ οὖν
Τίῦς Θεοῦ ἐστιν, πῶς οὐκ ἔστιν ἀναμφιβόλως καὶ
Κύριος. Οἶδα, φησὶν ἡ μακαρίὰ Παρθένος, δτι καὶ
Τ1ὸς Θεοῦ ἔστιν καὶ Κύριος, ὁ ἐμὸς πλάστης ἐν ταὐ-
τῷ καὶ υἰὸς, ὄν ὡς βρέφος διὰ τὴν αὐτοῦ φιλανθρω-
πίαν ἐναγκαλίζομαι· ἀλλʼ ἐκείνῳ τοῦτον παραστῆσαι
σπουδάζω, περὶ οὖ ὁ ἐμὸς προπάτωρ Δαβιδ, διὰ τοῦ
νεύματος ἐμελῷδησε λέγων· Εbaεν ό Κύριος τῷ
ἔἴυρίῳ μου, Κάθου ἐκ δεζωῶκ μου, ἔως ἄν θῶ
τοbς ἐχθρούς σου ἐποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σοu.
ibi Dominus Pater : en et Dominus Eilins, adqucm
factus est sermo. Τametsi vero duo Domini dicun- δοὺὺ Κύριος ὁ Πατήρ· ἰδοὺ καὶ Κύριος ὁ Τἰὸς, πρής
ur, nna tamen eorem dominatio cst, uti et una D δν ὁ λόγος ἐγένετο, Ἀλλʼ εἱ καὶ δύο Κὐριοι λέγονται,
quoque deitas. lliergo Donino, fDominum festino μία τνύτων ἡ κυριότης, ὦσπερ οὖν καὶ ρἰα ἡ θεότης.
sistere, a quo, quod spectat ad Deitatem, neque ἐὐτῷ οὖν τῷ Κυρίῳ παραστῆσαι τὸν Κύριόν μου
olim antequam in meo utero conciperetur, neque σπουδάζω, οὖ κατὰ τὴν θεότητα, οὕτε πρὸ τῆς ἐτ
nodo, aut unquam aliquando separabitur.
γαστρί μου κυοφορίας, οὑτε νῦν, ἄλλʼ οτε πώποτε
χωρισθήσεται.
Subdit deiade evangelista : Sἰut scriρtum est i- Εεε ἐξής προστίθησιν ὁ εὐαγγελιστής·⁴ αθὼς
ege θomini Cuia omne masculinum adaperiens γέραπται ἐν νόμῳ Κrφfου, δτι πὰν ἄρσεν δα-
vulvam, sanctum θοmino vocabitar ⁹. dene fietor νοῖγον μήτραν, ἄγιον τῷ Mvφfῳ κληδηόσεται.
meus, et legisator ac Domimus, de iis masculis Καλῶς ὁ ἐμὸς πλάστης καὶ νομοθέτης καὶ Κύριος,
ege sanxit, qui vulvam aperimnt. At, non subja- περὶ τῶν διανοιγόντων ρήτραν ἀῥῥένων ἐνομοθέτη-
cet legibus, legumlator ; quando etiam ejus sine se- σεν. Ἀλλʼ οὐy ὑπόκειται τοῖς νόμοις ὁ νομοθέτης⁹
mine nativitas, supra humani partus rationem ex- ἐπειδὴ καὶ ὑπὲρ νόμον ἀνθρωπίνης κυήσεως ὑπάρ-
⁵ Calat. rν, 3. ⁷ Jerem. xXm, 24. ⁶ Psa. cr, 2. hid.2.
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Re: Assignment 2: PG 93 col. 1571-2

Post by Jonathan Robie » May 21st, 2014, 11:00 am

I will do this page - can someone else please sign up for Assignment 3?

Bruce - how many pages of ground truth do we need for this before we're done?
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Re: Assignment 2: PG 93 col. 1571-2

Post by BruceRobertson » May 21st, 2014, 11:48 am

Well, the old joke is that if you create a number of pages of ground truth = to the number of pages in the target corpus, you should get pretty close to perfect results :-) However, if my calculations are correct, the existing classifier is trained on 8 whole pages of ground truth. So any additional pages, especially those that contain lots of characters not well represented in those 8 pages, will help quite a bit.
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Re: Assignment 2: PG 93 col. 1571-2

Post by Jonathan Robie » May 22nd, 2014, 9:44 am

I'm finding this fairly difficult, largely because when I expand the page to a large size to be certain of the letters, the noise on the page makes it hard for me to see the details I am looking for.

The superscript numerals, for instance, or checking the accent on ὑποτεταγμένα in the phrase ὁ ἔχων ὑποτεταγμένα τὰ σύμπαντα on the first line.

What do I do if I just can't see clearly enough to be sure?
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There is a certain degree of informed subjectivity...

Post by Stephen Hughes » May 22nd, 2014, 10:37 am

Jonathan Robie wrote:I'm finding this fairly difficult, largely because when I expand the page to a large size to be certain of the letters, the noise on the page makes it hard for me to see the details I am looking for.

The superscript numerals, for instance, or checking the accent on ὑποτεταγμένα in the phrase ὁ ἔχων ὑποτεταγμένα τὰ σύμπαντα on the first line.

What do I do if I just can't see clearly enough to be sure?
I am also finding that it is not all happening from the scan in Assignment 3. Things need to be supplied intelligently according to what they "should" be.

Someone who was conversant with ever permutation of the alphabet wouldn't be able to do this. It requires lexical and grammatical knowledge.

What could ὑποτεταγμένα be, if it wasn't that?
Jonathan Robie wrote:noise on the page
The Latin? :lol: :twisted:
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Re: Assignment 2: PG 93 col. 1571-2

Post by BruceRobertson » May 22nd, 2014, 12:06 pm

Are you using the image supplied above or the Internet Archive one? You should be able to zoom into IA very far so as to be able to resolve these ambiguities.
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Re: Assignment 2: PG 93 col. 1571-2

Post by Jonathan Robie » May 22nd, 2014, 12:27 pm

BruceRobertson wrote:Are you using the image supplied above or the Internet Archive one? You should be able to zoom into IA very far so as to be able to resolve these ambiguities.
Yes, I am doing that, but I wind up seeing stuff like this:
bruce1.png
bruce1.png (5.77 KiB) Viewed 1453 times
I can increase the size, but the resolution isn't great and there is a fair amount of noise, so I wind up with:
bruce2.png
bruce2.png (14.14 KiB) Viewed 1453 times
Here are a few more examples from the page:
bruce3.png
bruce3.png (3.24 KiB) Viewed 1453 times
bruce4.png
bruce4.png (2.64 KiB) Viewed 1453 times
You can open those in a new tab and scale it up, but it's still hard to distinguish figure from noise at this resolution, at least for me.
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Screen graphics v. image

Post by Stephen Hughes » May 22nd, 2014, 12:49 pm

It could be your image viewer is using the screen data for upsizing rather than the image itself. I don't have the problem you are seeing. I get very clear images, but not clear enough to tell a Latin 'c' or 'e' apart.
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Re: Assignment 2: PG 93 col. 1571-2

Post by BruceRobertson » May 22nd, 2014, 1:18 pm

Hi, all --

Using the Internet Archive link above, you should find a '+' and '-' button on the bottom of the browser window. This will zoom you into an image of a better resolution. I find I can solve just about any problem with this feature.
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Re: Assignment 2: PG 93 col. 1571-2

Post by Jonathan Robie » May 22nd, 2014, 1:21 pm

τυφλὸς ὢν ἄρτι βλέπω.

I was taking the images from the viewer and scaling them up myself. Don't do that ;->
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