ὅταν Default for "WHEN...." in the future?

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Paul-Nitz
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ὅταν Default for "WHEN...." in the future?

Post by Paul-Nitz » February 13th, 2012, 5:22 am

Funk says
"860.4 A temporal clause with ὅταν (= ὅτε + ἄν) and the subjunctive corresponds to the protasis of a third class condition"
"858. The assumption in a third class condition is left undetermined."

But that doesn't tell me if ὅταν + Subjunctive is "marked" for any special emphasis. Is ὅταν with the Aorist Subjunctive the DEFAULT way of expressing the protasis when the event is uncertain, simply because it is in the future, e.g. the thought we might have when we say, "When I arrive, I'll give you a call."

Is the ὅταν + AOR Subjunctive in John 8:28 a default way of expressing, "When you lift up the Son of Man" ? ὅταν ὑψώσητε τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου
Or is there some other default (ὅτε + Indicative?).
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Re: ὅταν Default for "WHEN...." in the future?

Post by Eeli Kaikkonen » February 13th, 2012, 8:43 am

Paul-Nitz wrote:
Is the ὅταν + AOR Subjunctive in John 8:28 a default way of expressing, "When you lift up the Son of Man" ? ὅταν ὑψώσητε τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου
Rijksbaron, The Syntax and Semantics of the Verb in Classical Greek 3rd. ed., p. 80:
The conjuctions of types (a) - (c) (see above) [including οτε, combined with αν = οταν] -- are construed with ἄν and the subjunctive in cases where the state of affairs of the dependend clause is located in the future. A future indicative or some other form with future reference usually occurs in the main clause.
Rijksbaron isn't very easy to understand, but in the wider context I interpet this to mean that this ὅταν + aor. subj. is a normal and neutral way of expressing a future "when" condition.
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