Stephen Carlson wrote:David Lim wrote:Does BDAG actually give examples of the usage of "συνιημι + επι X (dat.)"?
Yes, it also cites Hermas, Sim. 2:7.
Thanks! This example from Hermas (Similitudes) supports my claim instead!
[Hermas.Sim.2.7] ἀμφότεροι οὖν τὸ ἔργον τελοῦσιν· ὁ μὲν πένης ἐργάζεται τῇ ἐντεύξει, ἐν ᾗ πλουτεῖ, ἣν ἔλαβεν παρὰ τοῦ κυρίου· ταύτην ἀποδίδωσι τῷ κυρίῳ τῷ ἐπιχορηγοῦντι αὐτῷ· καὶ ὁ πλούσιος ὡσαύτως το πλοῦτος, ὃ́ͅὃ ἔλαβεν παρὰ τοῦ κυρίου, ἀδιστάκτως παρέχεται τῷ πένητι. καὶ τοῦτο ἔργον μέγα ἐστὶ καὶ δεκτὸν παρὰ τῷ θεῷ, ὅτι
συνῆκεν ἐπὶ πλούτῳ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰργάσατο εἰς τὸν´πένητα ἐκ τῶν δωρημάτων τοῦ κυρίου καὶ ἐτέλεσε τὴν διακονίαν ὀρθῶς.
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http://www.ccel.org/l/lake/fathers/shepherd_d.htm)
"συνηκεν επι πλουτω αυτου" does not mean "[he] understood [by reflecting] on his riches", but "[he] set [his] mind on his riches" / "[he] took notice of his riches". It is probably based on Psa 41:1, which I quoted in my very first post. Psa 41:1 certainly does not mean "the [one] who understands [by reflecting] on [the] poor and [the] labourer", but instead "the [one] who sets [his] mind on [the] poor and [the] labourer" / "the [one] who takes notice of [the] poor and [the] labourer". This is also another evidence that the accusative and dative cases are interchangeable for this particular semantic domain.
Stephen Carlson wrote:David Lim wrote:I don't really get what you mean by conflating it, since I provided examples from the LXX where "συνιεναι + επι" means "set [one's] mind on".
If you're going to propose a new sense for συνίημι that's not found in the lexica, you need to show that none of the established senses work. I haven't seen that effort. I have only seen assertion (e.g. "definitely cannot mean") without the argumentation why. For example, since you don't supply your own translation of the Appian example, there is nothing that indicates that you have considered whether ἐπὶ διαπείρᾳ construes with ἀφιγμένης instead of συνιέντες.
I have already shown my claim for the meaning of "συνιεναι + επι X (
acc.)" in the LXX, thus it cannot be maintained that "understand" is the only meaning of "συνιεναι", even as the other common uses of the word in the other ancient Greek texts show.
Secondly, I have just shown that the example cited by BDAG does not support the "established sense found in the lexica". Certainly BDAG is not infallible! But BDAG gave a fourth example. (I could only find three in the entire Perseus database). Wonderful!
Thirdly, I have shown examples from the ancient Greek texts where "συνιεναι + επι X (
dat.)" means "set [one's] mind on". Since you ask for a translation of those examples, I give them here, but I did not earlier because I am talking about the Greek text and not translations!
[App.Syr.2.6] ... οἱ δὲ τῆς πρεσβείας
συνιέντες ἐπὶ διαπείρᾳ σφῶν ἀφιγμένης, διὰ βραχέος ἀπεκρίναντο αὐτοῖς, ...
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http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... :section=6)
[a direct translation] ... but the [ones] of the seniority,
taking notice of [a] trial of them who have arrived, answered through [a] short [word] to them, ...
[a paraphrase] ... but the elders,
being aware that they who have arrived intended to test them, answered curtly to them, ...
[Horace White's] ... The Senate,
perceiving that the embassy had come to make a test of their disposition, replied curtly, ...
I see no reason to take "επι διαπειρα" as modifying "αφιγμενης", but if you insist so, let us pass by this example.
[Luc.Prom.6] ... καί μοι δοκεῖς, ὦ βέλτιστε,
μὴ συνιέναι ἐπὶ τοῖς τηλικούτοις πάνυ φιλανθρώπου τοῦ Διὸς πεπειραμένος. ...
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http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... :section=6)
[a direct translation] ... and to me you seem, o excellent friend,
not to set your mind on the [things] altogether so great of [the] benevolence of Zeus, from [my] experience. ...
[a paraphrase] ... and you seem to me, my dear friend,
not to take notice of such great blessings of Zeus, from what I know. ...
[Fowler's] ... You seem
not to realize, my friend,
that, all things considered,
Zeus has dealt very handsomely by you. ...
[Luc.Salt.83] ... οἱ ἀστειότεροι δὲ
συνιέντες μὲν καὶ αἰδούμενοι ἐπὶ τοῖς γινομένοις, οὐκ ἐλέγχοντες δὲ σιωπῇ τὸ πρᾶγμα, ...
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http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... section=83)
[a direct translation] ... but the more intelligent [ones],
indeed taking notice of and being ashamed of the [things] coming to be, but [in] silence not reproving the matter, ...
[a paraphrase] ... but the more intelligent ones,
indeed noticing and being ashamed of what was happening now, but keeping silent and not reproving it, ...
[Fowler's] ... and the more intelligent part of the audience,
realizing how things stood, concealed their disgust, ...
Lastly, please don't say "I haven't seen that effort", as I have spent more than 20 hours on this to search the entire Perseus database, because I don't have the tools unlike some. I reported all instances of the construction in question, omitting those which fall under a different sense of "συνιεναι + επι X" (usually "consort against X (
acc.)" or "consort together on X (
gen.)"; none of the instances I found meant "understand"). As the search function on Perseus did not seem to work perfectly, I could possibly have missed some instances, so please point them out if you come across any.