Mark 14:60 καταμαρτυροῦσιν - past-referring present?

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Re: Mark 14:60 καταμαρτυροῦσιν - past-referring present?

Postby RandallButh » October 18th, 2012, 9:45 am

How does a Future tense work in such a comment since the DC is the time of writing


you already answered this yourself. The DC is the speaker quoting Jesus in the past, who was referring to the future.
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Re: Mark 14:60 καταμαρτυροῦσιν - past-referring present?

Postby Alan Patterson » October 22nd, 2012, 7:14 am

Mark 14:60 καὶ ἀναστὰς ὁ ἀρχιερεὺς εἰς μέσον ἐπηρώτησεν τὸν Ἰησοῦν λέγων · οὐκ ἀποκρίνῃ οὐδὲν τί οὗτοί σου καταμαρτυροῦσιν;

Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Have you no answer? What is it that they testify against you?” (NRSV)


No past-referring Present Tense here in some people's model.

What does the High Priest ask Jesus? Mark quotes the High Priest, "Have you no answer? What is it that they testify against you?" (These are the very words that the High Priest asked.)

I would say such the usage of the Present here is common usage.

Hope this helps to clarify my model of ET and RT.
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Re: Mark 14:60 καταμαρτυροῦσιν - past-referring present?

Postby Stephen Carlson » October 22nd, 2012, 8:13 am

Hi Alan, if I understand you correctly (and I'm not sure I do), I'm asking about καταμαρτυροῦσιν, not λέγων.
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Re: Mark 14:60 καταμαρτυροῦσιν - past-referring present?

Postby Alan Patterson » October 23rd, 2012, 6:16 am

Hi Alan, if I understand you correctly (and I'm not sure I do), I'm asking about καταμαρτυροῦσιν, not λέγων.


Stephen, yes, καταμαρτυροῦσιν is what I was responding to. λέγων would equal quotation marks.
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