Barry Hofstetter wrote:Please supply your real name -- we don't allow anonymous posting here. If you supply it, a moderator will update your info so that is shows in your signature. Secondly, may the Lord protect us from the multiplication of genitives!But if someone put a sword to my throat and made me choose, I would say some type (!) of objective genitive, since it really means examples that the flock are to look toward or emulate.
David Lim wrote:Barry Hofstetter wrote:Please supply your real name -- we don't allow anonymous posting here. If you supply it, a moderator will update your info so that is shows in your signature. Secondly, may the Lord protect us from the multiplication of genitives!But if someone put a sword to my throat and made me choose, I would say some type (!) of objective genitive, since it really means examples that the flock are to look toward or emulate.
[1 Pet 5:3] μηδ’ ὡς κατακυριεύοντες τῶν κλήρων ἀλλὰ τύποι γινόμενοι τοῦ ποιμνίου·
Could it be that "τυποι του ποιμνιου" is the predicate nominative of "γινομενοι"?
cwconrad wrote:David Lim wrote:Barry Hofstetter wrote:Please supply your real name -- we don't allow anonymous posting here. If you supply it, a moderator will update your info so that is shows in your signature. Secondly, may the Lord protect us from the multiplication of genitives!But if someone put a sword to my throat and made me choose, I would say some type (!) of objective genitive, since it really means examples that the flock are to look toward or emulate.
[1 Pet 5:3] μηδ’ ὡς κατακυριεύοντες τῶν κλήρων ἀλλὰ τύποι γινόμενοι τοῦ ποιμνίου·
Could it be that "τυποι του ποιμνιου" is the predicate nominative of "γινομενοι"?
Yes, it could -- but the question was about the genitive τοῦ ποιμνίου.
Barry Hofstetter wrote: ... may the Lord protect us from the multiplication of genitives!But if someone put a sword to my throat and made me choose, I would say some type (!) of objective genitive, since it really means examples that the flock are to look toward or emulate.
David Lim wrote:[1 Pet 5:3] μηδ’ ὡς κατακυριεύοντες τῶν κλήρων ἀλλὰ τύποι γινόμενοι τοῦ ποιμνίου·
Could it be that "τυποι του ποιμνιου" is the predicate nominative of "γινομενοι"?
cwconrad wrote:Yes, it could -- but the question was about the genitive τοῦ ποιμνίου.
David Lim wrote:Well I thought that Barry didn't take it the way I did because he said "objective genitive", I assume of "γινομενοι". Did I misinterpret you, Barry?
Barry Hofstetter wrote:May the Lord protect us from the multiplication of genitives!But if someone put a sword to my throat and made me choose, I would say some type (!) of objective genitive, since it really means examples that the flock are to look toward or emulate.
Justin Cofer wrote:Barry Hofstetter wrote:May the Lord protect us from the multiplication of genitives!But if someone put a sword to my throat and made me choose, I would say some type (!) of objective genitive, since it really means examples that the flock are to look toward or emulate.
Thanks for the reply. So, τύποι ... τοῦ ποιμνίου is functioning as the predicate nominative of γινόμενοι, and τοῦ ποιμνίου is an objective genitive because it functions semantically as the direct object of the verbal idea implicit in the noun (τύποι). Correct?
Barry Hofstetter wrote:Justin Cofer wrote:Barry Hofstetter wrote:May the Lord protect us from the multiplication of genitives!But if someone put a sword to my throat and made me choose, I would say some type (!) of objective genitive, since it really means examples that the flock are to look toward or emulate.
Thanks for the reply. So, τύποι ... τοῦ ποιμνίου is functioning as the predicate nominative of γινόμενοι, and τοῦ ποιμνίου is an objective genitive because it functions semantically as the direct object of the verbal idea implicit in the noun (τύποι). Correct?
That's more or less what I intended to say. I would phrase it that τύποι all by itself is the predicate nominative and that τοῦ ποιμνίου is the objective genitive, not the entire phrase as pred. nom. Again, it wouldn't kill me if we were to decide what we should call the genitive τοῦ ποιμνίου something else. It's clear what it means.
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