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James 5:3 ὡς πῦρ

Posted: February 14th, 2013, 9:53 am
by Jonathan Robie
How should I read ὡς πῦρ in this passage - like this?
James 5:2-3 wrote:2 ὁ πλοῦτος ὑμῶν σέσηπεν, καὶ τὰ ἱμάτια ὑμῶν σητόβρωτα γέγονεν, 3 ὁ χρυσὸς ὑμῶν καὶ ὁ ἄργυρος κατίωται, καὶ ὁ ἰὸς αὐτῶν εἰς μαρτύριον ὑμῖν ἔσται καὶ φάγεται τὰς σάρκας ὑμῶν· ὡς πῦρ ἐθησαυρίσατε ἐν ἐσχάταις ἡμέραις.
or like this?
James 5:2-3 wrote:2 ὁ πλοῦτος ὑμῶν σέσηπεν, καὶ τὰ ἱμάτια ὑμῶν σητόβρωτα γέγονεν, 3 ὁ χρυσὸς ὑμῶν καὶ ὁ ἄργυρος κατίωται, καὶ ὁ ἰὸς αὐτῶν εἰς μαρτύριον ὑμῖν ἔσται καὶ φάγεται τὰς σάρκας ὑμῶν ὡς πῦρ. ἐθησαυρίσατε ἐν ἐσχάταις ἡμέραις.
I see GNTs punctuated both ways. In the first reading, in what sense is storing up things like fire?

Re: James 5:3 ὡς πῦρ

Posted: February 14th, 2013, 5:59 pm
by Stephen Carlson
I can't make sense of the first reading.

Re: James 5:3 ὡς πῦρ

Posted: February 15th, 2013, 2:54 am
by RandallButh
Stephen Carlson wrote:I can't make sense of the first reading.
See the Syriac Peshitto for the sense. They read the Greek ωσ πυρ with the following clause.

Re: James 5:3 ὡς πῦρ

Posted: February 15th, 2013, 3:47 am
by Stephen Carlson
RandallButh wrote:
Stephen Carlson wrote:I can't make sense of the first reading.
See the Syriac Peshitto for the sense. They read the Greek ωσ πυρ with the following clause.
Thanks. As far as I can tell, the Syriac does not translate ὡς or it's taken as a sentence conjunction and omitted. πῦρ seems to be made the object of ἐθησαυρίσατε.

Re: James 5:3 ὡς πῦρ

Posted: February 15th, 2013, 4:31 am
by RandallButh
Yes, the syriac treats ως as the equivalent of 'seeing that, since'

Re: James 5:3 ὡς πῦρ

Posted: February 15th, 2013, 7:20 am
by Jonathan Robie
Stephen Carlson wrote:I can't make sense of the first reading.
It's the reading in the 1904 Patriarchal edition (with a period, actually):
ὁ χρυσὸς ὑμῶν καὶ ὁ ἄργυρος κατίωται, καὶ ὁ ἰὸς αὐτῶν εἰς μαρτύριον ὑμῖν ἔσται καὶ φάγεται τὰς σάρκας ὑμῶν. ὡς πῦρ ἐθησαυρίσατε ἐν ἐσχάταις ἡμέραις.
I couldn't make sense of it either. Hence my post ;->

Re: James 5:3 ὡς πῦρ

Posted: February 15th, 2013, 8:08 am
by Jonathan Robie
RandallButh wrote:Yes, the syriac treats ως as the equivalent of 'seeing that, since'
Since you have stored up fire (for yourselves) in the last days?