2 Cor 1:11

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2 Cor 1:11

Postby Justin Cofer » March 6th, 2013, 7:24 pm

I get the general sense of 2 cor 1:11, but I'm having difficulty with getting my head wrapped around the verse.

συνυπουργούντων καὶ ὑμῶν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν τῇ δεήσει, ἵνα ἐκ πολλῶν προσώπων τὸ εἰς ἡμᾶς χάρισμα διὰ πολλῶν εὐχαριστηθῇ ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν.


I'm having particularly with the prepositional phrases ἐκ πολλῶν προσώπων and διὰ πολλῶν. Does ἐκ πολλῶν προσώπων modify τὸ χάρισμα and διὰ πολλῶν modify εὐχαριστηθῇ. That is what I'm thinking.

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Re: 2 Cor 1:11

Postby Stephen Carlson » March 9th, 2013, 6:35 am

This is a "bump" to give people another chance to answer this. I personally find this use baffling, but I haven't spent a lot of time on it.
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Re: 2 Cor 1:11

Postby Mark Lightman » March 9th, 2013, 2:40 pm


συνυπουργούντων καὶ ὑμῶν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν τῇ δεήσει, ἵνα ἐκ πολλῶν προσώπων τὸ εἰς ἡμᾶς χάρισμα διὰ πολλῶν εὐχαριστηθῇ ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν.

I'm having particularly with the prepositional phrases ἐκ πολλῶν προσώπων and διὰ πολλῶν. Does ἐκ πολλῶν προσώπων modify τὸ χάρισμα and διὰ πολλῶν modify εὐχαριστηθῇ. That is what I'm thinking.


οὐχί. τὸ ἀντίον λέγω.

...ἵνα ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν εὐχαριστία δοθῇ ἐκ πολλῶν προσώπων (ἀνθρώπων) περὶ τοῦ δώρου (ὃ ἤλθεν) εἰς ἡμᾶς διὰ πολλῶν (ἀνθρώπων.)

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Re: 2 Cor 1:11

Postby Justin Cofer » March 9th, 2013, 3:50 pm

χαιρειν Μαρκος. συνιημι. εἰρηκας καλῶς. εὐχαριστῶ σοι.
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Re: 2 Cor 1:11

Postby MAubrey » March 9th, 2013, 4:05 pm

2 Cor 1:11 wrote:συνυπουργούντων καὶ ὑμῶν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν τῇ δεήσει, ἵνα ἐκ πολλῶν προσώπων τὸ εἰς ἡμᾶς χάρισμα διὰ πολλῶν εὐχαριστηθῇ ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν.

Murray Harris (NIGTC) suggests that διὰ πολλῶν needs to be taken as functioning within the subject NP τὸ εἰς ἡμᾶς χάρισμα.

Part of the awkwardness, arises from the fact that we would not passivized such a subject in English and that in fact, the abstract noun χάρισμα needs to be taken as a nominalized passive of χαρίζομαι as well. Make both of those active and it becomes much easier to read:

...so that many people might [active: given thanks] for the gracious gift that many people gave on our behalf.

Perhaps its also really awkward in Greek. I'm not sure.
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