Word Order in John 13:6

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Re: Word Order in John 13:6

Postby Louis L Sorenson » March 10th, 2013, 7:42 am

There are 82 occurances of σύ μου, not all with direct objects though. Sorry for the length of this post -- here is a TLG-e search result. A number are reworks of several passages. This could be an M.A. thesis's topic.



Euripides Trag., Orestes
Line 297

ὅταν δὲ τἄμ' ἀθυμήσαντ' ἴδηις,
σύ μου τὸ δεινὸν καὶ διαφθαρὲν φρενῶν
ἴσχναινε παραμυθοῦ θ'· ὅταν δὲ σὺ στένηις,
ἡμᾶς παρόντας χρή σε νουθετεῖν φίλα·
ἐπικουρίαι γὰρ αἵδε τοῖς φίλοις καλαί.

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Euripides Trag., Iphigenia Aulidensis
Line 916

ἢν δὲ τολμήσηις σύ μου
χεῖρ' ὑπερτεῖναι, σεσώμεθ'· εἰ δὲ μή, οὐ σεσώμεθα.

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Sophocles Trag., Oedipus tyrannus
Line 1116

Εἰ χρή τι κἀμὲ μὴ συναλλάξαντά πω,
πρέσβεις, σταθμᾶσθαι, τὸν βοτῆρ' ὁρᾶν δοκῶ,
ὅνπερ πάλαι ζητοῦμεν· ἔν τε γὰρ μακρῷ
γήρᾳ ξυνᾴδει τῷδε τἀνδρὶ σύμμετρος,
ἄλλως τε τοὺς ἄγοντας ὥσπερ οἰκέτας
ἔγνωκ' ἐμαυτοῦ· τῇ δ' ἐπιστήμῃ σύ μου
προὔχοις τάχ' ἄν που, τὸν βοτῆρ' ἰδὼν πάρος.

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Sophocles Trag., Oedipus Coloneus
Line 582

Ὅταν θάνω 'γὼ καὶ σύ μου ταφεὺς γένῃ.

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Demosthenes Orat., De corona
Section 299, line 2

τὸν δὲ τειχισμὸν τοῦτον, ὃν σύ
μου
διέσυρες, καὶ τὴν ταφρείαν ἄξια μὲν χάριτος καὶ ἐπαίνου
κρίνω, πῶς γὰρ οὔ;

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Aristophanes Comic., Acharnenses
Line 1082

Οἴμοι κακοδαίμων, καταγελᾷς ἤδη σύ μου.
{ΔΙ.

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Novum Testamentum, Evangelium secundum Joannem
Chapter 13, section 6, line 3

λέγει αὐτῷ, Κύριε, σύ μου
νίπτεις τοὺς πόδας;

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Xenophon Hist., Cyropaedia
Book 5, chapter 5, section 9, line 6

οὐ γὰρ ἀγνοῶ τοῦτο, ἔφη, ὅτι οὐ σύ μου μόνον μείζων
εἶ, ἀλλὰ καὶ οἱ ἐμοὶ δοῦλοι ἰσχυρότεροι ἐμοῦ ὑπαντιάζουσί
μοι καὶ κατεσκευασμένοι εἰσὶν ὥστε δύνασθαι ποιῆσαι μᾶλ-
λον ἐμὲ κακῶς ἢ παθεῖν ὑπ' ἐμοῦ.

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Lucianus Soph., Charon sive contemplantes
Section 12, line 40

{ΚΡΟΙΣΟΣ}
Ἀεὶ σύ μου τῷ πλούτῳ προσπολεμεῖς καὶ
φθονεῖς.

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Apollonius Dyscolus Gramm., De pronominibus
Part 2, volumëfascicle 1,1, page 53, line 20

ἐν ᾧ οὖν φαμὲν <σύ με, σύ μου>, εὐθείας ἡ σύ· αἱ γὰρ εὐθεῖαι τήνδε
τὴν σύνταξιν λαμβάνουσι. – Πρὸς τὰ πύσματα αἱ εὐθεῖαι ἀνθυπάγονται,
<τίς ἔγραψεν;

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Acta Joannis, Acta Joannis
Section 20, line 17

ἐρῶ πρὸς αὐτήν·
Σύ μου τὸ φῶς ἐβιάσω Κλεοπάτραν ἀφαρπάσασα· σύ με νε-
κρὸν ἐποίησας γενέσθαι τοῦτό μοι παρασχομένη· σύ με τὴν
πρόνοιαν ἐβιάσω ἐνυβρίσαι ἐκκόψασά μου τὴν παρρησίαν.

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Demetrius Junior Comic., Fragmentum
Fragment 1, line 1

ΑΡΕΟΠΑΓΙΤΗΣ

σύ μου καταφρονεῖς, ὅτι μάγειρός εἰμ', ἴσως·
ὅσον δ' ἀπὸ ταύτης τῆς τέχνης εἴργασμ' ἐγώ,
οὐδεὶς ὑποκριτής ἐσθ' ὅλως εἰργασμένος.

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Septuaginta, Psalmi
Psalm 31, section 7, line 1

σύ μου εἶ καταφυγὴ ἀπὸ θλίψεως τῆς περιεχούσης με·
τὸ ἀγαλλίαμά μου, λύτρωσαί με ἀπὸ τῶν κυκλωσάντων με.

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Septuaginta, Psalmi
Psalm 70, section 6, line 2

ἐπὶ σὲ ἐπεστηρίχθην ἀπὸ γαστρός,
ἐκ κοιλίας μητρός μου σύ μου εἶ σκεπαστής·
ἐν σοὶ ἡ ὕμνησίς μου διὰ παντός.

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Achilles Tatius Scr. Erot., Leucippe et Clitophon
Book 5, chapter 22, section 6, line 2

δέομαι δέ σου γυναικὸς γυνὴ τὴν αὐτὴν δέησιν, ἣν καὶ σύ μου
χθὲς ἐδεήθης· δός μοί τι ἐπὶ τοῦτον τὸν ὑπερήφανον· σώσεις γάρ
μου τὴν ψυχὴν διαρρεύσασαν ἤδη.

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Demades Orat., Rhet., Fragmenta
Fragment 50, line 4

· <‘οὔ,> φησίν, <ἐὰν γὰρ σύ μου ταύτην ἀφέλῃς,
ἡ πατρίς μοι αὐτὴν ἀθάνατον ἀναθήσει’.

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Epictetus Phil., Dissertationes ab Arriano digestae
Book 3, chapter 22, section 85, line 2

τηλικαύτην πολιτείαν πολιτευομένου ἀνθρώπου
σύ μου πυνθάνῃ εἰ πολιτεύσεται;

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Evangelium Ebionitum, Evangelium Ebionitum
Fragment 3, line 7

καὶ φωνὴ
ἐγένετο ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ λέγουσα· Σύ μου εἶ ὁ υἱὸς ἀγαπητός,
ἐν σοὶ ηὐδόκησα, καὶ πάλιν· Ἐγὼ σήμερον γεγέννηκά σε·
καὶ εὐθὺς περιέλαμψε τὸν τόπον φῶς μέγα.

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Historia Alexandri Magni, Recensio β
Book 3, section 22, line 40

ὥσπερ γὰρ σύ
μου
τὸν υἱὸν καὶ τὴν τούτου γυναῖκα ἀπὸ τῶν Βεβρύκων διέσωσας ληφθεῖσαν,
οὕτω κἀγώ σε διαφυλάξω ἀπὸ τῶν βαρβάρων Ἀντίγονόν σε καλοῦσα.

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Historia Alexandri Magni, Recensio γ (lib. 3)
Section 22, line 55

ὥσπερ γὰρ σύ μου τὸν υἱὸν καὶ τὴν τούτου
γυναίκαν ὑπὸ τῶν Βεβρύκων διέσωσας ληφθεῖσαν, οὕτω κἀγώ
σε διαφυλάξω ἀπὸ τῶν βαρβάρων Ἀντίοχον καλοῦσα· ἐὰν γὰρ
γνώσονταί σε Ἀλέξανδρον ὄντα, ἀναιροῦσί σε εὐθέως, ὅτι
σὺ Πῶρον τὸν βασιλέα ἀνῄρησας· ἡ γὰρ γυνὴ τοῦ μικροτέρου
μοῦ υἱοῦ θυγάτηρ ἦν Πώρου.

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Historia Alexandri Magni, Recensio K (cod. 236 Kutlumussiu-Kloster des Athos)
Page 287, line 11

Καὶ σὺ μοῦ δίδεις τέταρτο μερτι-
κὸ ἀπὸ τὴν Ἐντίαν, καὶ Ἀλέξανδρος μοῦ ἔταξεν ὅλην τὴν Ἐντίαν,
ὅταν τὴν παραλάβη».

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Historia Alexandri Magni, Recensio Byzantina poetica (cod. Marcianus 408)
Line 5311

Καὶ φοβηθεὶς Ἀλέξανδρος ἠθέλησε τῷ ξίφει
αὑτὸν διαχειρίσασθαι καὶ τὴν Κανδάκην ἅμα·
ἥτις καὶ πρὸς αὐτόν φησιν· «Ἀλέξανδρε, καὶ τοῦτο
γενναῖον καὶ βασιλικὸν κακῶς προσεβουλεύσω·
ἀλλὰ μηδὲν ἀγωνιᾷς· μὴ φοβηθῇς, ὦ τέκνον·
ὥσπερ γὰρ σύ μου τὸν υἱὸν καὶ τὴν γυναῖκα τούτου
ἐκ τῶν Βεβρύκων ἔσωσας μεγίστῃ σου φρονήσει,
οὕτω κἀγὼ φυλάξω σε πάλιν ἐπανελθεῖν σε
πρὸς τὰ στρατόπεδα τὰ σά, φόβον μὴ σχὼν μηδένα,
σὲ προσφωνοῦσ' Ἀντίγονον· εἰ γὰρ καὶ γνωριοῦσιν
εἶναί σε τὸν Ἀλέξανδρον, ἀποκτενοῦσι ξίφει,
ὡς Πῶρον ἀποκτείναντα τὸν τῶν Ἰνδῶν δεσπότην·
ἡ γὰρ γυνὴ θἀτέρου μου τέκνου, θυγάτηρ Πώρου.

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Hermas Scr. Eccl., Pastor
Chapter 1, section 6, line 2

λέγω αὐτῇ·
Νῦν σύ μου ἔλεγχος εἶ;

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Eusebius Scr. Eccl., Theol., Commentaria in Psalmos
Volume 23, page 776, line 30

Σὺ γάρ μου, φησὶ, τυγχάνεις ὑπο-
μονὴ, καὶ σύ μου ἐλπὶς ἐκ νεότητος.

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Eusebius Scr. Eccl., Theol., Commentaria in Psalmos
Volume 23, page 776, line 34

Ἐπὶ σὲ ἐπεστηρίχθην ἀπὸ γαστρὸς, ἐκ κοιλίας
μητρός μου σύ μου εἶ σκεπαστής.

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Eusebius Scr. Eccl., Theol., Commentaria in Psalmos
Volume 23, page 776, line 49

Τὸ δὲ, «Ἐπὶ σὲ ἐπεστη-
ρίχθην ἀπὸ γαστρὸς, ἐκ κοιλίας μητρός μου, σύ μου
εἶ σκεπαστὴς,» μόνῳ ἂν ἁρμόζοι τῷ Σωτῆρι ἡμῶν
ἀθολώτῳ καὶ ἀσυγχύτῳ γενομένῳ καθ' ὃν ἐκυο-
φορεῖτο καιρόν.

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Eusebius Scr. Eccl., Theol., Commentaria in Psalmos
Volume 23, page 777, line 11

Πάλιν δὲ καὶ ἐν τούτῳ λέ-
γων, «Σύ μου εἶ σκεπαστὴς,» ἐνέφαινεν ἐξαίρετόν
τι ἐσχηκέναι παρὰ τοὺς λοιποὺς τοὺς ἐν κοιλίᾳ μητρὸς
συλληφθέντας.

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Epiphanius Scr. Eccl., Panarion (= Adversus haereses)
Volume 1, page 350, line 16

καὶ φωνὴ ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ λέγουσα· σύ μου εἶ ὁ υἱὸς ὁ ἀγα-
πητός, ἐν σοὶ ηὐδόκησα, καὶ πάλιν· ἐγὼ σήμερον γεγέννηκά σε.

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Gregorius Nazianzenus Theol., Carmina de se ipso
Page 1339, line 3

Εἰ δ' ἐνθάδ' οὐδεὶς, Χριστέ μου, σύ μου μερὶς,
Ὃν κρεῖσσον, ἢ τὰ πάντα καὶ πάντων, ἔχειν.

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Gregorius Nazianzenus Theol., Carmina de se ipso
Page 1405, line 11

Δεινὸς γάρ ἐστι, καὶ λοχῶν τούς σοι φίλους
Ὃν, οἶδα, φεύξομ', εἰ σύ μου μνήμην ἔχεις,
Πυκνῶν ἀεὶ λόγοις τε καὶ νοήμασιν.

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Athanasius Theol., Expositiones in Psalmos
Volume 27, page 164, line 1

Σύ μου καταφυγή. Ἐκεῖνα περὶ τῆς ἁμαρτίας
εἰρηκὼς, ἱκετεύει τῶν διὰ ταύτην ἐπενεχθέντων
ἀπαλλαγῆναι κακῶν.

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Athanasius Theol., Expositiones in Psalmos
Volume 27, page 317, line 12

Ἐκ
κοιλίας μητρός μου σύ μου εἶ σκεπαστής. Ἐπει-
δὴ, φησὶ, σὺ αὐτὸς ὁ Κύριος, καὶ ἐν τῇ κοιλίᾳ τῆς
μητρός μου ἔτι ὄντα ἔσκεπες τῇ θείᾳ σου δυνάμει,
καὶ ἐῤῥύσω ἐκ τοῦ παρανομοῦντος λαοῦ· τούτου χά-
ριν καὶ αὐτὸς ἐγὼ, ἅτε τῆς οὕτω συνεχοῦς ᾐσθημένος
εὐεργεσίας, οὐ παύομαι τοὺς εἰς σὲ ὕμνους ἀναπέμ-
πων διηνεκῶς.

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Basilius Theol., Prologus 7 (de judicio dei)
Volume 31, page 672, line 19

Ἰδὼν
γὰρ τὸν ἑαυτοῦ καὶ πάντων Θεὸν καὶ Κύριον, καὶ
βασιλέα, καὶ Δεσπότην, καὶ διδάσκαλον, καὶ Σωτῆρα,
καὶ ὁμοῦ τὰ πάντα, ἐν ὑπηρέτου σχήματι διαζωσά-
μενον λέντιον, καὶ νίπτειν τοὺς πόδας αὐτοῦ βουλό-
μενον, εὐθὺς, ὥσπερ εἰς συναίσθησιν ἐλθὼν τῆς ἰδίας
ἀναξιότητος, καὶ τὸ ἀξίωμα τοῦ προσερχομένου κατα-
πλαγεὶς, ἐξεβόησε Κύριε, σύ μου νίπτεις τοὺς
πόδας; καὶ πάλιν· Οὐ μὴ νίψῃς τοὺς πόδας μου
εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα. Ἐπὶ τούτῳ τὴν τοσαύτην εἰσδέχεται
ἀπειλὴν, ὡς εἰ μὴ πάλιν εἰδὼς τὴν ἀλήθειαν τῶν ῥη-
μάτων τοῦ Κυρίου, ἔφθασε τῇ ὑπακοῇ διορθωσάμε-
νος τὴν ἀντιλογίαν, οὐδὲν ἂν αὐτῷ τῶν προλαβόντων,
οὐ τῶν ἰδίων κατορθωμάτων, οὐ τῶν παρὰ τοῦ Κυρίου
μακαρισμῶν τε καὶ δωρεῶν καὶ ἐπαγγελιῶν, οὐδὲ
αὐτὴ ἡ τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ Πατρὸς τῆς τοιαύτης καὶ
τοσαύτης εἰς τὸν μονογενῆ Υἱὸν εὐδοκίας ἀποκάλυψις

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Basilius Theol., Regulae morales
Volume 31, page 724, line 5

Ἔρχεται οὖν πρὸς Σίμωνα Πέτρον, καὶ
λέγει αὐτῷ ἐκεῖνος· Κύριε, σύ μου νίπτεις τοὺς
πόδας;

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Basilius Theol., Sermones de moribus a Symeone Metaphrasta collecti
Volume 32, page 1205, line 8

Ἰδὼν
γὰρ τὸν ἑαυτοῦ καὶ πάντων Κύριον, καὶ Θεὸν, καὶ
βασιλέα, καὶ Σωτῆρα, καὶ ὁμοῦ τὰ πάντα, ἐν ὑπ-
ηρέτου σχήματι διαζωσάμενον τὸ λέντιον, καὶ νίπτειν
τοὺς πόδας αὐτοῦ βουλόμενον, εὐθὺς ὥσπερ εἰς συν-
αίσθησιν ἐλθὼν τῆς οἰκείας ἀναξιότητος, καὶ τὸ
ἀξίωμα τοῦ προσερχομένου καταπλαγεὶς, ἐξεβόησε·
Κύριε, σύ μου νίπτεις τοὺς πόδας; καὶ πάλιν·
Οὐ μή μου νίψῃς τοὺς πόδας εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα. Ἐπὶ
τούτῳ τὴν τοσαύτην ἐκδέχεται ἀπειλὴν, ὡς εἰ μὴ
ἔφθασε τῇ ταχύτητι καὶ σφοδρότητι τῆς ὑπακοῆς
διορθωσάμενος τὴν ἀντιλογίαν, οὐδὲν ἂν αὐτῷ τῶν
παρὰ τοῦ Κυρίου μακαρισμῶν τε καὶ δωρεῶν καὶ
ἐπαγγελιῶν, οὐδὲ αὐτὴ ἡ τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ Πατρὸς
τῆς τοιαύτης καὶ τοσαύτης εἰς τὸν μονογενῆ Υἱὸν
εὐδοκίας ἀποκάλυψις ἤρκεσε παραμυθήσασθαι τὴν
παροῦσαν ἀπείθειαν.

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Origenes Theol., Commentarium in evangelium Matthaei (lib. 12-17)
Book 13, chapter 27, line 23

καὶ πρὸς μὲν τὸ ἀπὸ γενέσεως ἔχειν
ἀγγέλους εἴποι <ἄν> τις ταῦτα,
τὸ «<ὁ> ἀφορίσας με ἐκ κοιλίας
μητρός μου»
καὶ τὸ «ἐκ κοιλίας μητρός μου σύ μου
εἶ σκεπαστὴς» καὶ «ἀντελάβου μου
ἐκ κοιλίας μητρός μου» καὶ «ἐπὶ σὲ
ἐπερρίφην ἐκ μήτρας»
καὶ ἐν τῇ Ἰούδα ἐπιστολῇ «τοῖς ἐν
θεῷ πατρὶ ἠγαπημένοις καὶ Ἰησοῦ
Χριστοῦ τετηρημένοις κλητοῖς», πάν-
τως ὑπὸ τῶν τηρούντων ἀγγέλων.

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Origenes Theol., Selecta in Psalmos [Dub.] (fragmenta e catenis)
Volume 12, page 1520, line 3

Ὁ λέ-
γων· «Ἐγὼ ἐν τῷ Πατρὶ,» φησὶ καὶ τό· «Ἐπὶ σὲ
ἐπεῤῥίφην ἐκ γαστρός· ἐκ κοιλίας μητρός μου σύ
μου
εἶ σκεπαστής·» τὸ μὲν, εἰς ἅμα γενέσει μόνος
συνῃσθημένος Θεοῦ, καὶ ἐπερεισάμενος αὐτῷ· τὸ δὲ,
διὰ τὴν ἐπὶ τῇ προσκυνήσει τῶν μάγων ἐπιβουλὴν
εἰς Χριστὸν, Ἡρῴδου μηδὲν παθόντα τῷ ἐσκεπάσθαι
ὑπὸ Θεοῦ ὅτε τὰ ἀπὸ διετοῦς καὶ κατωτέρω ἀνῃρεῖτο
παιδία ἐν ὁρίοις Βηθλεέμ.

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Origenes Theol., Selecta in Psalmos [Dub.] (fragmenta e catenis)
Volume 12, page 1520, line 31

Ἐπὶ σὲ ἐπεστηρίχθην ἀπὸ γαστρός· ἐκ κοιλίας
μητρός μου σύ μου εἶ σκεπαστὴς, κ. τ. ἑ.

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Origenes Theol., Commentarii in evangelium Joannis (lib. 19, 20, 28, 32)
Book 32, chapter 5, section n, line 2

<Ἔρχεται οὖν πρὸς Σίμωνα Πέτρον· λέγει αὐτῷ·
Κύριε, σύ μου νίπτεις τοὺς πόδας;

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Origenes Theol., Commentarii in evangelium Joannis (lib. 19, 20, 28, 32)
Book 32, chapter 5, section 57, line 4

εἰ γὰρ συμφέρον μὲν ἦν πρὸς τὸ ἔχειν μέρος μετὰ τοῦ
Ἰησοῦ τὸ νίψασθαι τοὺς πόδας ὑπ' αὐτοῦ, Πέτρος δὲ μὴ ἐπιστά-
μενος, ὅτι συμφέρον τοῦτο ἦν, πρότερον μὲν εἶπεν οἱονεὶ ἐπαπορῶν
δυσωπητικῶς τὸ «Κύριε, σύ μου νίπτεις τοὺς πόδας;

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Origenes Theol., Commentarii in evangelium Joannis (lib. 19, 20, 28, 32)
Book 32, chapter 6, section 65, line 13

ὕδωρ εἰς τὸν νιπτῆρα καὶ ἀρξαμένῳ τοὺς πόδας νίπτειν τῶν μαθη-
τῶν καὶ ἐκμάσσειν τῷ λεντίῳ ᾧ ἦν διεζωσμένος, πάντες μὲν παρεῖχον
τοὺς πόδας, ἀκολούθως τῇ περὶ τοῦ Ἰησοῦ προλήψει θεωροῦντες
ὅτι οὐκ ἂν ὁ τηλικοῦτος ἀλόγως καί, ὡς ἂν οἱ πολλοὶ λέγοιεν,
βαρεῖν τοὺς μαθητὰς θέλων, νίπτοι αὐτῶν τοὺς πόδας, ἀλλά τι
χρήσιμον ἐπιτελῶν ὃ περιέμενον γνώσεσθαι ὕστερον, ἐννοοῦντες μή-
ποτε σύμβολόν τινος ταῦτα πράττοιτο· μόνος δὲ ὁ Πέτρος τῷ προ-
χειροτέρῳ ἐνιδὼν καὶ οὐδένα ἕτερον λογισμὸν ἐκείνῳ παρατιθείς,
ὡς σέβων τὸν Ἰησοῦν οὐ παρεῖχεν αὐτοῦ εἰς τὸ νίψασθαι τοὺς πό-
δας, ἀλλὰ πρότερον μὲν δυσωπεῖν αὐτὸν ἐπειρᾶτο ἐν τῷ «Κύριε, σύ
»μου
νίπτεις τοὺς πόδας;

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Origenes Theol., Commentarii in evangelium Joannis (lib. 19, 20, 28, 32)
Book 32, chapter 7, section 76, line 4

ὁ μὲν οὖν Πέτρος μὴ θεωρῶν τὸν
λόγον τοῦ βουλήματος Ἰησοῦ, ἀρξαμένου νίπτειν τοὺς πόδας τῶν
μαθητῶν καὶ ἐκμάσσειν τῷ λεντίῳ ᾧ ἦν διεζωσμένος, λέγει αὐτῷ·
»Κύριε, σύ μου νίπτεις τοὺς πόδας;

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Syriani, Sopatri Et Marcellini Scholia Ad Hermogenis Status, Scholia ad Hermogenis librum περὶ στάσεων
Volume 4, page 633, line 6

χείρισται γὰρ κατὰ τὸ εἶδος τοῦτο τῶν ἀντιλήψεων· τὴν
γὰρ συμβουλὴν αἰτιᾶται ὁ Αἰσχίνης, ὅτι τοιαῦτα ἀπήν-
τησεν ἐκ τῆς Δημοσθένους πολιτείας, ἡ παρὰ Χαιρώνειαν
ἧττα, καὶ οἱ χίλιοι νεκροὶ καὶ οἱ δισχίλιοι αἰχμάλω-
τοι, πρὸς ἃ ὁ Δημοσθένης τὸ παραγραφικὸν εἰσήγαγεν
οὕτως εἰπών· εἰ μὲν ἦν σοι πρόδηλα τὰ μέλλοντα,
Αἰσχίνη, μόνῳ τῶν ἄλλων, ὅτ' ἐβουλεύετο ἡ πόλις περὶ
τούτων, τότε ἔδει προλέγειν· εἰ δὲ μὴ προῄδεις, τῆς αὐ-
τῆς ἀγνοίας ὑπεύθυνος εἶ τοῖς ἄλλοις· ὥστε τί μᾶλλον
σύ μου κατηγορεῖς ἢ ἐγὼ σοῦ· τοσούτῳ γὰρ ἀμείνων
ἐγὼ σοῦ πολίτης γέγονα, εἰς αὐτὰ ταῦτα λέγω καὶ οὔπω
περὶ τῶν ἄλλων διαλέγομαι, ὅσῳ ἐγὼ μὲν ἔδωκα ἐμαυτὸν
εἰς τὰ πᾶσι δοκοῦντα συμφέρειν, οὐδένα κίνδυνον ὀκνή-
σας ἴδιον οὐδ' ὑπολογισάμενος· σὺ δὲ οὐδ' ἕτερα εἶπες
τούτων βελτίω, οὐ γὰρ ἂν τούτοις ἐχρῶντο, οὔτε εἰς
ταῦτα χρήσιμον σεαυτὸν παρέσχες· ὅπερ δὲ ἂν ὁ φαυ-
λότατος ἄνθρωπος καὶ δυσμενέστατος τῇ πόλει, τοῦτο
πεποιηκὼς ἐπὶ τοῖς συμβεβηκόσιν ἐξήτασαι· πάνυ γὰρ
πολλὴν ἰσχὺν περιάπτει τῇ ἀπολογίᾳ τὸ παραγραφικὸν

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Joannes Chrysostomus Scr. Eccl., De Lazaro (homiliae 1-7)
Vol 48, pg 1005, ln 40

Ταῦτα δὲ λέγω, ἐπειδὴ πολλοὶ πολλάκις, ἡμῶν παρ-
αινούντων προσέχειν ἑαυτοῖς καὶ νήφειν, ῥᾳθυμοῦσι
καὶ εἰς γέλωτα τὴν παραίνεσιν ἐκβάλλουσι, λέγοντες·
Σύ μου
προστήσῃ, φησὶ, κατ' ἐκείνην τὴν ἡμέραν·
καὶ θαῤῥῶ, καὶ οὐ δέδοικα.

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Joannes Chrysostomus Scr. Eccl., In Joannem (homiliae 1-88)
Vol 59, pg 383, ln 21

Ἐμοὶ δὲ
δοκεῖ τοῦ προδότου πρώτου νίψαι τοὺς πόδας, ἐκ τοῦ
εἰπεῖν, Ἤρξατο νίπτειν τοὺς πόδας τῶν μαθητῶν,
καὶ ἐπαγαγεῖν, Ἔρχεται πρὸς Σίμωνα Πέτρον, καὶ
λέγει αὐτῷ ἐκεῖνος· Σύ μου νίπτεις τοὺς πόδας;
Ταῖς χερσὶ ταύταις, φησὶν, αἷς ὀφθαλμοὺς ἀνέῳξας,
καὶ λεπροὺς ἐκάθηρας, καὶ νεκροὺς ἀνέστησας;

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Joannes Chrysostomus Scr. Eccl., In Joannem (homiliae 1-88)
Vol 59, pg 383, ln 45

Ὅτε γοῦν ἦλθε πρὸς τὸν Πέ-
τρον, Λέγει αὐτῷ ἐκεῖνος· Κύριε, σύ μου νίπτεις
τοὺς πόδας; Λέγει αὐτῷ· Ὃ ἐγὼ ποιῶ σὺ οὐκ οἶδας
ἄρτι, γνώσῃ δὲ μετὰ ταῦτα· τουτέστι, τὸ κέρδος
ὅσον τὸ ἐκ τούτου, τὴν ὠφέλειαν τῆς διδασκαλίας, καὶ
πῶς ἱκανὸν εἰς πᾶσαν ἀγαγεῖν ταπεινοφροσύνην ἡμᾶς.

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Joannes Chrysostomus Scr. Eccl., In epistulam ad Hebraeos (homiliae 1-34)
Vol 63, pg 43, ln 41

Ἐννόησον τί ψάλλεις κατὰ τὸν καιρὸν ἐκεῖνον·
Ἐπίστρεψον, ψυχή μου, εἰς τὴν ἀνάπαυσίν σου,
ὅτι Κύριος εὐηργέτησέ σε· καὶ πάλιν, Οὐ φοβηθή-
σομαι κακὰ, ὅτι σὺ μετ' ἐμοῦ εἶ· καὶ πάλιν, Σύ
μου
εἶ καταφυγὴ ἀπὸ θλίψεως τῆς περιεχού-
σης με. Ἐννόησον τί βούλονται οὗτοι οἱ ψαλμοί.

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Joannes Chrysostomus Scr. Eccl., Oratio ante lectionem [Sp.]
Vol 63, pg 924, ln 4

Μὴ
ἀποκρύψῃς ἀπ' ἐμοῦ τὰς ἐντολάς σου, ἀλλ' ἀπο-
κάλυψον τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς μου, καὶ κατανοήσω τὰ
θαυμάσια ἐκ τοῦ νόμου σου. Ἐπὶ σοὶ γὰρ ἐλπίζω,
ὁ Θεός μου, ἵνα σύ μου φωτίσῃς τὴν καρδίαν.

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Joannes Chrysostomus Scr. Eccl., De patientia et de consummatione huius saeculi [Sp.]
Vol 63, pg 940, ln 66

Μὴ ἀποκρύψῃς ἀπ' ἐμοῦ τὰς ἐντολάς σου,
ἀλλ' Ἀποκάλυψον τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς μου, καὶ κατα-
νοήσω τὰ θαυμάσια ἐκ τοῦ νόμου σου· ἐπὶ σοὶ γὰρ
ἤλπισα, ὁ Θεός μου, ἵνα σύ μου φωτίσῃς τὴν καρδίαν.

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Didymus Caecus Scr. Eccl., Commentarii in Zacchariam
Book 3, section 175, line 7

Ὁ τῷ φόβῳ τοῦ Θεοῦ σκε-
πασθείς, ὑπεραναβὰς ταύτην τὴν σκέπην, ὑπ' αὐτοῦ τοῦ Θεοῦ
φυλαχθῆναι εὐχόμενος, λέγει πρὸς αὐτὸν δι' εὐχῆς· «Γενοῦ
μοι εἰς Θεὸν ὑπερασπιστήν, εἰς τόπον ὀχυρὸν τοῦ σῶσαί με»·
καὶ ἔτι ἐν τριακοστῷ καὶ πρώτῳ Ψαλμῷ· «Σύ μου εἶ καταφυγὴ
ἀπὸ θλίψεως τῆς περιεχούσης με, τὸ ἀγαλλίαμά μου, λύτρωσαί
με ἀπὸ τῶν καταδιωκόντων με.

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Didymus Caecus Scr. Eccl., Commentarii in Psalmos 22-26.10
Codex page 79, line 26

σύ μου
οὖν διδάσκα|λος γενοῦ.

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Didymus Caecus Scr. Eccl., Commentarii in Psalmos 22-26.10
Codex page 91, line 20

τὸ “ἐπο|ρεύθην” ὧδε οὐκ ἀνακοπὴν λέγει καὶ παῦλα<ν>,
ἀλλ' ὅτι ἐκ πολλοῦ οὕτως ἠρξάμην ἢ μητρόθεν οὕτως | ἠρξά-
μην· λέγει γὰρ ὅτι· “ἐπὶ σοὶ ἐπεστηρίχθην ἐκ μήτρας, ἐκ
κοιλίας μητρός μου σύ μου εἶ σκε|παστής”.

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Didymus Caecus Scr. Eccl., Fragmenta in Psalmos (e commentario altero)
Fragment 265, line 5

τοῦτ' οὖν
τὸ κάλλος σύ μου, ὦ κύριε, τῷ σῷ θελήματι παράσχου.

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Didymus Caecus Scr. Eccl., De trinitate (lib. 2.8-27) [Sp.]
Volume 39, page 764, line 27

Ἐπὶ σὲ ἐπεστηρίχθην ἀπὸ γα-
στρὸς, ἐκ κοιλίας μητρός μου σύ μου εἶ σκεπαστής.

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Libanius Rhet., Soph., Orationes 1-64
Oration 42, section 1, line 4

Ὑβρισθέντι φίλῳ καὶ κωλυθέντι τυχεῖν ὧν
εἰκότως ἂν ἐτετυχήκει πρὸ πολλῶν τῶν μετεχόντων,
ἥκω βοηθήσων, ὦ βασιλεῦ, τό τε τῆς φιλίας δίκαιον
αἰδούμενος καὶ ἅμα μὴ σύ μου τῆς σιωπῆς καταγνῷς
φοβούμενος.

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Tiberius Rhet., De figuris Demosthenicis
Section 20, line 10

καὶ πάλιν
προθείς· <τὸν δὲ τειχισμὸν τοῦτον, ὃν σύ μου
διέσυρες, καὶ τὴν ταφρείαν ἄξια μὲν χάρι-
τος καὶ ἐπαίνου κρίνω· πῶς γὰρ οὔ>;

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Theodorus Studites Scr. Eccl., Theol., Epistulae
Epistle 2, line 26

σύ μου
τὸ φῶς, ὁ ἀειφανὴς λύχνος τῶν ἐν ψυχῇ
σκοτεινῶν λογισμῶν, ῥάβδος ὑποστηρίζων μου τὸ ἄτονον τῆς καρ-
δίας, ἀθυμίας μεταβολή, προθυμίας ἀλοιφή, εὐαγγέλιον, χαρά, ἑορτή,
εὐδοξία.

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Theodorus Studites Scr. Eccl., Theol., Epistulae
Epistle 189, line 17

πόσος σοι ὁ μισθός· σύ μου οὐ τέκνον,
ἀλλὰ πατήρ, θεὸν θεραπεύσας.

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Theodorus Studites Scr. Eccl., Theol., Epistulae
Epistle 225, line 6

σύ μου
χαρὰ καὶ παραμύθιον, σύ μου ἐν
Κυρίῳ ἐν πᾶσι τοῖς κινδύνοις καὶ θλίψεσιν ἕδρασμα καὶ στέφανος
καυχήσεως μετὰ πάντων τῶν συνάθλων σου καὶ πρὸ πάντων ἀδελφῶν
ἡμῶν ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ καὶ τέκνων.

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Romanus Melodus Hymnographus, Cantica
Hymn 3, section 10, line 4

Ἀγγέλου σημάναντος τόκον <ἐν γήρᾳ>, ἐγέλασα πρίν,
καὶ νῦν τὸ ῥῆμα ἰδοῦσα πρᾶγμα, ἐχάρην·
ἀλλ' ἤδη ἡ χαρὰ εἰς δάκρυα τάχα τρέπεται·
σύ μου
φάος, σὺ αὐγὴ ἐμῶν βλεφάρων·
σὲ ὥσπερ ἄστρον βλέπουσα λαμπρύνομαι, ὦ τέκνον μου·
σὺ τῆς ἐμῆς κοιλίας καρπὸς ὥριμος ὤφθης·
σὺ βότρυς περκάζων ἀκμασάσης ἀμπέλου·
οὐ σβέσει σε πατήρ, οὐ τέμνει σε·
ὅτι μόνος ἀγαθὸς ὁ σωτὴρ τῶν ψυχῶν ἡμῶν.

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Romanus Melodus Hymnographus, Cantica
Hymn 11, section 1, line 4

Τὸν ἀγεώργητον βότρυν βλαστήσασα ἡ ἄμπελος
ὡς ἐπὶ κλάδων ἀγκάλαις ἐβάσταζε καὶ ἔλεγεν·
»Σὺ καρπός μου, σὺ ζωή μου,
<σὺ> ἀφ' οὗ ἔγνων ὅτι καὶ ὃ ἤμην εἰμί, σύ μου Θεός,
τὴν σφραγῖδα τῆς παρθενίας μου ὁρῶς<α ἀ>κατάλυτον,
κηρύττω σε ἄτρεπτον Λόγον σάρκα γενόμενον.

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Romanus Melodus Hymnographus, Cantica
Hymn 33, section 9, line 6

Οὕτω μὲν ἔφη ὁ ἄγγελος, ὅτε καὶ κατεῖδέν σε τὴν ἄμπελον
τὰ ἑαυτῆς κλήματα τρέφουσαν
καὶ εἰς γῆν πᾶσαν ἐκτείνουσαν καὶ εἰς ὕψος ἐπανάγουσαν·
Πέτρος δέ, ἡ ἀρχὴ τῶν φίλων σου,
ὁ κανὼν τῶν ἀκολουθούντων σοι, ὁ στρατηγὸς τῆς φαμιλίας σου,
ἰδών σε ἐζωσμένον, ἔλεγεν ἀδημονῶν· «Σύ μου τοὺς πόδας νίπτεις;

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Joannes Damascenus Scr. Eccl., Theol., Orationes de imaginibus tres
Section 1,56=2,52, line 70

Ἐπεὶ εἰ τὴν φύσιν τοῦ ξύλου ἔσεβον, πάντως ἂν
καὶ τὰ δένδρα καὶ τὰ ἄλση προσκυνεῖν εἶχον, ὥσπερ σὺ ὁ
Ἰσραὴλ προσεκύνησας τούτοις ποτέ, λέγων τῷ δένδρῳ καὶ
τῷ λίθῳ, ὅτι »σύ μου εἶ θεός, καὶ σύ με ἐγέννησας».

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Joannes Damascenus Scr. Eccl., Theol., Orationes de imaginibus tres
Section 3,89, line 5

Ἐπεὶ πάντα ἂν τὰ ξύλα προσεκυνοῦμεν τοῦ ἀγροῦ, καὶ ὥσπερ ὁ Ἰσραὴλ
προσεκύνει τὰ ἄλση καὶ τὰ δένδρα λέγων· «Σύ μου εἶ θεός, καὶ σύ με
ἐγέννησας.

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Gnomologium Vaticanum, Gnomologium Vaticanum
Sententia 251, line 4

οὐ φοβοῦμαι”
εἶπεν· “ἐὰν γὰρ σύ μου ταύτην ἀφέλῃς, ἡ πατρίς μοι αὐτὴν ἀθάνατον
ἀναθήσει”.

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Nicephorus I Scr. Eccl., Hist., Theol., Refutatio et eversio definitionis synodalis anni 815
Chapter 92, line 284

ὅταν οὖν ἴδῃς Χριστια-
νοὺς προσκυνοῦντας τὸν σταυρόν, γνῶθι ὅτι τῷ σταυρωθέντι
Χριστῷ τὴν προσκύνησιν προσάγουσιν καὶ οὐ τῷ ξύλῳ, ἐπεὶ
εἰ τὴν φύσιν τοῦ ξύλου ἔσεβον, πάντως ἂν καὶ τὰ δένδρα καὶ
τὰ ἄλση προσεκύνουν, ὥσπερ σὺ ποτὲ Ἰσραὴλ προσεκύνεις
τούτοις λέγων τῷ δένδρῳ καὶ τῷ ξύλῳ· Σύ μου εἶ θεὸς καὶ σύ
με ἐγέννησας. πάλιν δέ, οὐχ' οὕτως λέγομεν ἡμεῖς τῷ σταυρῷ
οὐδὲ ταῖς μορφαῖς τῶν ἁγίων· «Θεοὶ ἡμῶν ἐστέ.

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Nicolaus I Mysticus Theol., Epist., Opuscula diversa
Section 207, line 194

Ὑπερίπταται, θεομῆτορ, τὰ σὰ
θαυμάσια τὴν δύναμιν τῶν λόγων·
σθένει γὰρ σῷ ἀμάχῳ ἐρρύσω ἀλλοφύλων
ἐπιδρομῆς, ἁγνή, κληρουχίαν σου·
ὅθεν εὐχαρίστως βοᾷ σοι·
»Σύ μου, θεοτόκε, ῥύστις, προστάτις καὶ καταφυγή.

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Theodoretus Scr. Eccl., Theol., Historia ecclesiastica
Page 86, line 10

ἡ δὲ ἀναιδέστερον ἐβόα,
τῷ Τιμοθέῳ διαμαχομένη καὶ τὴν χεῖρα ἐξάγουσα καὶ τῷ δακτύλῳ
δεικνῦσα καὶ λέγουσα· «σύ μου τὴν παρθενίαν ἀφείλου, σύ με τῆς
σωφροσύνης ἐγύμνωσας» καὶ τἄλλα ὅσα λέγειν εἰώθασιν αἱ δι' ἀκο-
λασίας ὑπερβολὴν οὐκ ἔχουσαι τὴν αἰδῶ.

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Theodoretus Scr. Eccl., Theol., Interpretatio in Psalmos
Volume 80, page 1089, line 47

Σύ μου
εἶ καταφυγὴ ἀπὸ θλίψεως τῆς περι-
εχούσης με· τὸ ἀγαλλίαμά μου, λύτρωσαί με ἀπὸ
τῶν κυκλωσάντων με.

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Theodoretus Scr. Eccl., Theol., Interpretatio in Psalmos
Volume 80, page 1937, line 41

Σύ
μου
γέγονας καὶ παιδοτρίβης, καὶ κηδεμὼν, καὶ δι-
δάσκαλος, καὶ εὐθὺς τῆς μήτρας ἐξελθὼν τῆς σῆς
προνοίας ἀπήλαυσα.

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Cyrillus Theol., Commentarii in Joannem
Volume 2, page 346, line 11

<Ἔρχεται οὖν εἰς Σίμωνα Πέτρον· καὶ λέγει αὐτῷ Κύριε, σύ μου
νίπτεις τοὺς πόδας;

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Cyrillus Theol., Commentarii in Joannem
Volume 2, page 347, line 8

δέδιε τοιγαροῦν ὁ θεσπέσιος μαθητὴς
τὸ ἐκ τοῦ πράγματος ἄχθος, καὶ τῆς συνήθους καὶ τετριμ-
μένης εὐλαβείας αὐτῷ καρπὸν ποιεῖται τὴν παραίτησιν,
συνεὶς δὲ οὔπω τὴν αἰτίαν τοῦ πράγματος, οἴεταί τι δρᾶν
εἰκῇ τὸν Κύριον, καὶ ψιλὴν αὐτοῖς τοῦ σώματος ἐπινοῆσαι
τὴν ἀνάπαυσιν· τὸ γὰρ ἀπονίζεσθαι τοὺς πόδας συντελεῖ
πως εἰς τοῦτο, καὶ μετρίως ἀποχαλᾷ τὴν ἐκ τοῦ βαδίσματος
στάσιν· διὰ τοῦτο καὶ σφόδρα θερμῶς ἐνείργει λέγων Κύριε,
σύ μου
νίπτεις τοὺς πόδας;

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Cyrillus Theol., Expositio in Psalmos
Volume 69, page 868, line 10

<Σύ μου εἶ καταφυγὴ ἀπὸ θλίψεως τῆς περιεχού-
σης με.

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Catenae (Novum Testamentum), Catena in Joannem (catena integra) (e codd. Paris. Coislin. 23 + Oxon. Bodl. Auct. T.1.4)
Page 337, line 1

Τὸ δὲ, “Κύριε σύ μου νίπτεις τοὺς πόδας;

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Ephraem Syrus Theol., De patientia et consummatione huius saeculi, ac de secundo aduentu; necnon de meditatione diuinarum scripturarum;
Page 174, line 3

Ἐπὶ σοὶ γὰρ ἐλπίζω, ὁ Θεός μου,
ἵνα σύ μου φωτίζῃς τὴν καρδίαν.

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Ephraem Syrus Theol., De panoplia, ad monachos
Page 40, line 2

Ἐπὶ
σὲ γὰρ ἐλπίζω, ὁ Θεός μου, ἵνα σύ μου φωτίσῃς τὴν διάνοιαν.

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Ephraem Syrus Theol., <Precationes ad dei matrem>
Prayer 9, page 400, line 3

Σὺ γάρ μου, Πάναγνε, λιμήν, <σύ μου καὶ προστασία,>
καὶ οὐ γινώσκω, Δέσποινα, καταφυγὴν ἑτέραν.

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Ephraem Syrus Theol., Sermo in pulcherrimum Ioseph
Page 271, line 14

Ἰδοὺ πάλιν καὶ σὲ
καλῶ, καὶ οὐδὲ σύ μου ἀκούεις.

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Scholia In Aristophanem, Scholia in Acharnenses (scholia vetera et recentiora Triclinii)
Hypothesis-epigram-scholion sch ach, verse 1081, line 1

EΓ3Lh
vet Tr <καταγελᾷς ἤδη σύ μου:> διὰ τὸ εἰπεῖν αὐτὸν <“πολεμολαμαχαϊ-
κόν”> REΓ3Lh
vet <βούλει μάχεσθαι Γηρυόνῃ τετραπτίλῳ>;

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Scholia In Demosthenem, Scholia in Demosthenem (scholia vetera) (fort. auctore Ulpiano)
Oration 19, section 188a, line 7

διαφέρει δὲ παραγραφῆς ἐν τῷ δοκεῖν
ἑκατέρας ἐκβάλλειν τὰς κρίσεις, καθὸ ἡ μὲν παραγραφὴ παντελῶς ἐκ-
βάλλει τὴν κρίσιν, ὅτι ‘οὐ δεῖ περὶ τῶν αὐτῶν ἀγωνίζεσθαι’, ἡ δὲ μετα-
ληπτικὴ οὐ πάντως ἐκβάλλει τὴν κρίσιν, ἀλλὰ μεταλαμβάνει, ὅτι ‘ἄλλως
ἔδει αὐτὴν γενέσθαι’, ὥσπερ καὶ ἐνταῦθα ἐκ προσώπου Δημοσθένους
μεταλαμβάνει καὶ λέγει ὅτι ‘οὐ σύ μου ὀφείλεις κατηγορεῖν, ἀλλ' οἱ Φω-
κεῖς οἱ πεπονθότες’.

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Scholia In Euripidem, Scholia in Euripidem (scholia vetera)
Vita-argumentum-scholion sch Or, section 1037, line 1

<θανάτου τ' ἀώρου>: νῦν ὅτε ἀνὴρ γέγονας καὶ ἀκμάζεις
καὶ ὀφείλεις ζῆν, ἀπόλλυσαι κατακριθείς: – MiTA
<ἄλλως>: νῦν σε, φησὶν, ἐχρῆν ζῆν, ὅτε οὐκέτι σε ζῆν συγχωροῦσιν
οἱ Ἕλληνες: – MTAB
γράφεται <ὅτ' οὐκέτι>: – Mg
<πορθμεύουσ' ὑπόμνησιν>: διὰ τὴν ὑπόμνησιν τῶν κακῶν
εἰσάγουσά με εἰς δάκρυα: – MTAB
<πᾶσιν γὰρ οἰκτρόν>: οὐκ ἐκράτησε τοῦ διανοήματος· θέλει
γὰρ εἰπεῖν ὅτι πᾶς ἀποθνῄσκων οἰκτίζεται τὴν ἰδίαν ψυχήν: – MTAB
<σὺ νῦν μ' ἀδελφὲ μή τις>20: σύ μου, φησὶν, αὐτόχειρ γενοῦ,
ἵνα μή τίς με τῶν ἐχθρῶν ἀνελὼν ὕβριν ταύτην προστρίψῃ σοι καὶ
ἐπιτωθάσῃ σε.

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Anthologia Graeca, Anthologia Graeca
Book 9, epigram 175, line 5

ἀλλὰ σύ μου πρόστηθι, Θέων φίλε, μηδέ μ' ἐάσῃς
συνδέσμῳ πενίης τὸν βίον ἐξανύσαι.

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Re: Word Order in John 13:6

Postby RandallButh » March 10th, 2013, 8:40 am

Thank you Louis.
Yes, it's a bit long.
For comparison of the reverse persons, cf. Philemon 20
ἐγώ σου.

It is apparently the only one in the NT, though there are other examples of EGW that did not attract the SOY
(e.g. John 17:12, 14.). Choice must be explained.
Also, John 17:1 and 4 have two different positions of SE.

For counterexamples of SY -- MOY, 2Tim 2.1, 3.10. And one has the many many examples of MOY that do not get drawn before the verb.
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Re: Word Order in John 13:6

Postby MAubrey » March 10th, 2013, 10:26 am

Randall, if you want to read the discussion they're:

My discussions are here:
http://evepheso.wordpress.com/studies-i ... ent-order/

Stephen's discussions are here:
http://hypotyposeis.org/weblog/?s=koine ... +placement

I have also written two papers on the subject which are being merged together for journal publication, though that's been postponed until after my thesis defense.
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Re: Word Order in John 13:6

Postby Stephen Carlson » March 10th, 2013, 1:20 pm

RandallButh wrote:For comparison of the reverse persons, cf. Philemon 20
ἐγώ σου.


Phlm 20 ναὶ ἀδελφέ, ἐγώ σου ὀναίμην ἐν κυρίῳ. Here, σου looks like an argument of the verb instead of a genitive within a noun phrase. I think it's more comparable to the position of σε.

RandallButh wrote:It is apparently the only one in the NT, though there are other examples of EGW that did not attract the SOY
(e.g. John 17:12, 14.). Choice must be explained.
Also, John 17:1 and 4 have two different positions of SE.


As I understand the principle, the clitic placement applies to the intonation unit. They don't get pulled out of their intonation unit. For genitive pronouns in post-verbal noun phrases, moreover, they don't get pulled earlier than the focus. (There is some disagreement in the literature under what conditions can pre-focal topics get their own intonation unit, so I won't appeal to that here.)

John 17:12 ὄτε ἤμην μετ' αύτῶν ἐγὼ ἐτήρουν αὐτοὺς ἐν τῷ ὀνόματί σου ᾧ δέδωκά μοι. I would say that ἐν τῷ ὀνόματί σου ᾧ δέδωκά μοι is a heavy adjunct and in its own intonation unit (note the case attraction of ᾧ). Furthermore, the contrastive topic-hood of ἐγώ (cf. v.11 πάτερ ἅγιε, τήρησον αὐτούς etc.) suggests that the focus is ἐτήρουν (note also the placement of αὐτούς).

John 17:14 ἐγὼ δέδωκα αὐτοῖς τον λόγον σου καὶ ὁ κόσμος ἐμίσησεν αὐτούς. It also looks like δέδωκα is the focus as indicated by the position of αὐτοῖς and the contrastive topic-hood of ἐγώ (cf. ὁ κόσμος).

John 17:1 δόξασόν σου τὀν υἱόν, ἵνα ὁ υἱὸς δοξάσῃ σέ. The σου in the first clause illustrates the point nicely. As for the second clause, the editors think it's orthotonic, so we may not be dealing with an enclitic.

John 17:4 ἐγώ σε ἐδόξασα ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς τὸ ἔργον τελειώσας ὃ δέδωκάς μοι ἵνα ποιήσω · As a clausal clitic, σε can move more freely than an NP clitic σου.

RandallButh wrote:For counterexamples of SY -- MOY, 2Tim 2.1, 3.10. And one has the many many examples of MOY that do not get drawn before the verb.


2 Tim 2:1, Σὺ οὖν, τέκνον μου, ἐνδυναμοῦ ἐν τῇ χάριτι τῇ ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ, It looks like τέκνον μου is a vocative (using the nominative) or an apposition. Either way, it gets its own intonation unit and would not pulled out it.

2 Tim 3:10 Σὺ δέ παρηκολούθησάς μου τῇ διδασκαλίᾳ, κτλ. Here I think σύ is a topic and παρηκολούθησάς is focus.

I would agree that pulling μου before the verb is rare. If it is pulled at all, it usually is to the beginning of the NP right after verb (compare 2 Tim 3:10 with John 17:14). Something special has to account for the exceptions.
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Re: Word Order in John 13:6

Postby Louis L Sorenson » March 10th, 2013, 1:56 pm

A search of TLG-e returns 98 instances of ἐγώ σου. Many are with comparatives. Here are several examples. These have to fit in with the framework.

Joannes Stobaeus Anthologus, Anthologium
Book 3, chapter 4, section 92, line 3

ἐγώ σου’ φησί ‘κρείττων εἰμί, ἀγροὺς
γὰρ ἔχω πολλούς, σὺ δὲ λιμῷ παρατείνῃ’.

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Libanius Rhet., Soph., Epistulae 1-1544
Epistle 809, section 1, line 1

Ἐγὼ σοῦ πρεσβύτερος μέν εἰμι, τὴν φύσιν δὲ οὐκ οἶμαι
εἶναι βελτίων· διὰ δὲ πόνων ἐγὼ μὲν ἦλθον, σὺ δὲ ἔρχῃ.

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Joannes Damascenus Scr. Eccl., Theol., Sacra parallela (recensiones secundum alphabeti litteras dispositae, quae tres libros conflant) (fragmenta e cod.
Volume 96, page 129, line 33

Οὐκ ἐπειδὴ ἐγώ σου χρείαν ἔχω, ἀλλ' ἐπειδὴ
βούλομαι καὶ σέ τι συνεισενεγκεῖν εἰς τὴν σωτηρίαν.

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Joannes Damascenus Scr. Eccl., Theol., Vita Barlaam et Joasaph [Sp.]
Page 54, line 18

καὶ Ἐγώ
σου, τέκνον, εἰπών, τὰ καταθύμια ποιήσω.

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Georgius Cedrenus Chronogr., Compendium historiarum
Volume 1, page 572, line 6

οὐκ ἐγώ σου τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐχμῶσαν καὶ
φθειριῶσαν χρυσῷ στεφάνῳ κατεκαλλώπισα καὶ ταινίᾳ χρυσοπορ-
φύρῳ ἐκόσμησα;

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Theophylactus Simocatta Epist., Hist., Quaestiones physicae
Page 38, line 15

Ἐγώ σου τῆς ἐπιστήμης ὀναίμην, Ἀντίσθενες, καὶ
ἄπειμι χαίρων.

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Re: Word Order in John 13:6

Postby RandallButh » March 10th, 2013, 2:16 pm

thank you, Stephen.
I am happier with talking about 'intonation units' rather than whole clauses.
I also suspect that there is quite a bit of bleeding in the system: not all of the pronouns were enclitic and I would expect some attraction, perhaps in both directons of AYTOY and SOY. Also, as I've commented in the past, the accent system as recorded is somewhat idealized. There are words that lose their accent (become grave) on the last syllable, but if the words are focal I would expect that in live speech they kept their accent. But the writing system in the 10th century did not acknowledge this.
Whether this ever affected enclitics, I don't know. Granted, there were long forms that could be used, but were they always used consistently?
and I've always been bothered just a little bit by enclitics joining verbs ahead of their noun, as well as the problem of verbs that prefer genitives and datives.
ESTIN works well as an enclitic that follows marked material, though it can pick up its own accent and assert something in the discourse.
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Re: Word Order in John 13:6

Postby RandallButh » March 10th, 2013, 2:18 pm

Michael and Stephen,

Thank you for the blog refs. You've been writing a lot on this and it looks pretty good. It will take a little time to digest and see where the fuzzy borders are and why.
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Re: Word Order in John 13:6

Postby RandallButh » March 10th, 2013, 2:26 pm

Louis' quote Οὐκ ἐπειδὴ ἐγώ σου χρείαν ἔχω,
reminded me of an example of what might be AYTOY attraction like an enclitic:

ὁ κύριος αὐτοῦ χρείαν ἔχει Lk 19.33 (by memory)

XREIAN EXEI is almost a fixed phrase and the EXEIN typically follows.
I read the AYTOY as the object of XREIAN. The word order is typical Greek, though the slightest pause after KYRIOS would help a fluent listening/reading.
would ὁ κύριος χρείαν αὐτοῦ ἔχει occur?
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Re: Word Order in John 13:6

Postby Stephen Carlson » March 10th, 2013, 4:08 pm

Yes, I think that unemphasized forms of αύτος (well, it's oblique forms) and the oblique plural personal pronouns can gravitate to the "second" position of an intonation unit. Occasionally, even some unemphasized NPs can behave this way. It's mainly a matter of prosody that drives the position of these constituents, but in terms of information structure, such unemphasized constituents tend to be topical (e.g. what some call "continuing topics").
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Re: Word Order in John 13:6

Postby RandallButh » March 11th, 2013, 3:59 am

These remind me of what I call the "quiet spot" in Biblical Hebrew, where highly topicalized information is tucked away between the verb and the subject but not placed before the verb. vayyomer lo ha-melex (lo is in the quiet spot.) They are typically pronominal but occasionally iinvolve nouns or adverbs.
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