Rev 2:28 antecedent

Forum rules
Please quote the Greek text you are discussing directly in your post if it is reasonably short - do not ask people to look it up. This is not a beginner's forum, competence in Greek is assumed.
Post Reply
Alan Patterson
Posts: 158
Joined: September 3rd, 2011, 7:21 pm
Location: Emory University

Rev 2:28 antecedent

Post by Alan Patterson » September 18th, 2013, 3:37 am

2:28 αυτω, what is its antecedent?


26 και ο νικων και ο τηρων αχρι τελους τα εργα μου δωσω αυτω εξουσιαν επι των εθνων
27 και ποιμανει αυτους εν ραβδω σιδηρα ως τα σκευη τα κεραμικα συντριβεται
28 ως καγω ειληφα [-θα?] παρα του πατρος μου, και δωσω αυτω τον αστερα τον πρωινον
29 ο εχων ους ακουσατω τι το πνευμα λεγει ταις εκκλησιαις
[WH text]

I am wondering what options exist for the antecedent of αυτω in verse 28.
Would the possibilities include πατρος of vs 28 or και ο νικων και ο τηρων of vs 26?
χαρις υμιν και ειρηνη,
Alan Patterson

Jonathan Robie
Posts: 2972
Joined: May 5th, 2011, 5:34 pm
Location: Durham, NC
Contact:

Re: Rev 2:28 antecedent

Post by Jonathan Robie » September 18th, 2013, 10:44 am

I think the antecedent is ὁ νικῶν καὶ ὁ τηρῶν ἄχρι τέλους τὰ ἔργα μου. Let me indent this text ...

Code: Select all

καὶ ὁ νικῶν καὶ ὁ τηρῶν ἄχρι τέλους τὰ ἔργα μου, 
    **δώσω αὐτῷ** ἐξουσίαν ἐπὶ τῶν ἐθνῶν, 
    **καὶ ποιμανεῖ** αὐτοὺς ἐν ῥάβδῳ σιδηρᾷ ὡς τὰ σκεύη τὰ κεραμικὰ συντρίβεται, 
           ὡς κἀγὼ εἴληφα παρὰ τοῦ πατρός μου, 
    **καὶ δώσω αὐτῷ** τὸν ἀστέρα τὸν πρωϊνόν.
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
http://jonathanrobie.biblicalhumanities.org/

Barry Hofstetter
Posts: 943
Joined: May 6th, 2011, 1:48 pm

Re: Rev 2:28 antecedent

Post by Barry Hofstetter » September 19th, 2013, 7:29 am

Alan Patterson wrote:2:28 αυτω, what is its antecedent?


26 και ο νικων και ο τηρων αχρι τελους τα εργα μου δωσω αυτω εξουσιαν επι των εθνων
27 και ποιμανει αυτους εν ραβδω σιδηρα ως τα σκευη τα κεραμικα συντριβεται
28 ως καγω ειληφα [-θα?] παρα του πατρος μου, και δωσω αυτω τον αστερα τον πρωινον
29 ο εχων ους ακουσατω τι το πνευμα λεγει ταις εκκλησιαις
[WH text]

I am wondering what options exist for the antecedent of αυτω in verse 28.
Would the possibilities include πατρος of vs 28 or και ο νικων και ο τηρων of vs 26?
In addition to Jonathan's helpful indenting, one has to ask the question "what would it mean if πατρός were the antecedent?" Why would the Son give to the Father authority over the nations? It would also be syntactically unusual (but not impossible) to have a proleptic pronoun so far removed from its antecedent.
N.E. Barry Hofstetter
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
ἐγὼ δὲ διδάσκώ τε καὶ γράφω ἵνα τὰ ἀξιώτερα μανθάνω

Stephen Carlson
Posts: 2527
Joined: May 11th, 2011, 10:51 am
Location: Melbourne
Contact:

Re: Rev 2:28 antecedent

Post by Stephen Carlson » September 19th, 2013, 8:35 am

Barry Hofstetter wrote:In addition to Jonathan's helpful indenting, one has to ask the question "what would it mean if πατρός were the antecedent?" Why would the Son give to the Father authority over the nations? It would also be syntactically unusual (but not impossible) to have a proleptic pronoun so far removed from its antecedent.
Since he's talking about v.28, I think taking πατρός as the antecedent of αὐτῷ in that verse would mean that the Son will give the Father the morning star.
Stephen C. Carlson, Ph.D.
Melbourne, Australia

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest