Sure I'll give you examples where the verb isn't "ειναι" and the circumstantial adverbial (underlined) is not next to the explicit or implicit noun (italics):Stephen Hughes wrote:All those examples are with the verb to be and if one were to break things down into units, the noun and circumstantial adverbial are contiguous. There is a little incongruity between them and John 1:9.David Lim wrote:I suggested that "ερχομενον ..." describes the situation in which the event described by "φωτιζει ..." occurs, in the same way as "οντα υπο την συκην" in John 1:48 specifies that it was with Nathaniel being under the fig tree that Jesus saw him, and both "συ ιουδαιος ων" and "γυναικος σαμαριτιδος ουσης" in John 4:9 specify the unusual circumstance that it was a Jew requesting to drink from a Samaritan woman. Likewise in John 1:9 my reading would mean specifically that it was in coming into the world that the light illuminates every man, whereas the reading as a periphrastic would simply assert two separate things, firstly that the light illuminates every man, and secondly that the light was coming into the world. So when I said "adverbial" I just meant that, firstly that clause could be omitted without changing the basic meaning of the sentence (which is not true for the other reading), and secondly that it modified the whole phrase (which I consider as headed by the main verb)
[John 8:6 Byz variant] τουτο δε ελεγον πειραζοντες αυτον ινα εχωσιν κατηγοριαν κατ αυτου ο δε ιησους κατω κυψας τω δακτυλω εγραφεν εις την γην μη προσποιουμενος
[John 8:9] οι δε ακουσαντες [και υπο της συνειδησεως ελεγχομενοι] εξηρχοντο εις καθ εις αρξαμενοι απο των πρεσβυτερων και κατελειφθη μονος [ο ιησους] και η γυνη εν μεσω ουσα
[John 12:12] τη επαυριον οχλος πολυς ο ελθων εις την εορτην ακουσαντες οτι ερχεται ιησους εις ιεροσολυμα [Here the noun is the implicit subject of "ελθων", and the circumstantial adverbial tells us why they "came to the feast".]
[John 21:14] τουτο ηδη τριτον εφανερωθη ο ιησους τοις μαθηταις αυτου εγερθεις εκ νεκρων
Sorry I didn't pick a good example. I was referring to "στραφεις" and "θεασαμενος ...", both of which agree with "ο ιησους" and describe the circumstances in which "λεγει ...".Stephen Hughes wrote:Let me plead dunce here too. Which one are you referring to?David Lim wrote:in the same way an aorist participle is often used for the same purpose, such as "στραφεις δε ο ιησους και θεασαμενος αυτους ακολουθουντας" in John 1:38.
Yes that would be essentially the same meaning.Stephen Carlson wrote:So, something like, "The true light is that which illuminates every person as it comes into the world"?